Are we alone in the whole
Universe? Is there a life beyond our star system? Where are all other evidences
of intelligent life in the Universe? Learn about what problems we might face in
our way of becoming a stellar civilization and why it is so difficult for us to contact the aliens.
Questions:
- What do you think about Fermi Paradox? Is it possible for us to somehow overcome it? Why you think so?
- Do you believe in UFOs and why so? Do you believe in existing of intelligent life beyond our solar system and why so?
- What do you think is the possible end for us as stellar civilization? Is it the way of resource consumers, that don’t care about other species (example with squirrel), fanatic purifiers (example with perfect weapon), it is the way of eternal life in virtual reality of infinite pleasure (matryoshka brain) or something else?
Comments
I think that this is possible for us to end our stellar civilization. As someone said, people are the worst
pests on the Earth. We are destructive and this isn't secret. We take more and more (for example forests) and we do not give valiuable replacements. We are destroying enviorment, waters - even air! If we won't change our custom to ownership and destruction we will end our stellar civilization - not on purpose and on our own.
So you think that we don't even have a chance to become a stellar civilization because we will destroy ourselves before it if we won't change our attitude towards our environment, am I right?
But I like the idea of the communication and an example with a squirrel. Maybe we just don't know how to communicate properly. Some time ago I saw a very interesting film about it. It's called "Arrival", 2016. It's about aliens that came to the Earth, but they were not been able to communicate. Precisely speaking, they communicated, but they used for this the way people couldn't understand. And there was a woman, a scientist, who learned their language. I find it amazing and realistic. Because in many films it's shown that aliens talk to us in English. But common, how can they know English? Why should they speak? People speak, yes, but aliens can have their own way of communication. So, the film is very impressive.
What do you think? Are there aliens? And if yes, will we meet them someday?
I watched "Arrival" couple of months ago, it was really impressive and well-made, I agree. In my opinion, the question in general is really not whether we can find intelligent aliens or not, it is about how can we theoretically make a contact with the species that we may not understand at all. If, for example, we will be found by the civilization from the example with squirrel, how can we explain to them that we are intelligent enough to be taking into account? And, by the way, there always is a danger that all our attempts to communicate will turn into movie "Pixels", where aliens interpret a message with videogames as threats and then turn videogames' characters into monsters. There is not so many options, I guess. It is either "Arrival" events or something similar, which will change our civilization in a better way or "The War of the Worlds", which may bring us to the extinction.
As the end of our civilization I consider pollution, end of environment and things like that most possible. I mean - nature created us and now we are destroying it. It's obvious we won't survive without it long.
But, as it was said in the video, maybe those civilizations aren't consider us seriously yet and we have to achieve some point in evolution before they will contact to us. Anyway, I hope that there is no "Graveyard of life" filter in the future, even if this answer seems to be the most possible one :(
I hope that if we will grow up to a stellar civilization and die anyway, this would be something like eternal life in virtual reality, because that sounds better than to be killed by nanobots or burned by other civilization that just don't care. And I think that this is the most possible scenario too.
I firmly believe that any advanced species would not be confined to planets. In planets like ours, bacteria will one day wipe out all life.
It is kind of ironically that the very thing that gave to us life billions years ago is going to destroy us. There is novel "Terre en fuite" (Earth's Getaway) by Fransis Carsac. It is about distant future, where people, after discovering that Sun is going to die and destroy the whole system, rebuild Earth into the giant spaceship and, as you can guess, get away from the Sun as far as possible. So yes, we really should take into account that our Sun is not eternal and is going to die someday.
I believe in existing of intelligent life beyond our solar system. We need time to develop our space travels and we can find something. Our Universe is something inconceivably huge and that's why we are can't explore it too fast.
It's hard to say that they can look like in "Independence Day" or just like us.
What worries me is environment situation. People don't understand that it can be serious problem with our life. Trees are replacing by blocks now. We are loosing the most important source of oxygen. People don't think about it because everything is ok...
I think we won't consume all the resources, since nothing we use is wasted - it changes structure but it still exists somewhere on Earth. I'd say our civilization will end due to some unpredicted natural catastrophes.
"I strongly believe there is intelligent life somewhere in the galaxy. I would say, that it would be very naive to assume that there is no other planet that does not have natural conditions allowing intelligent life to develope."
I think we're going to end as all of those stellar civilizations combined (maybe excluding fanatic purifiers :)). Some people will probably choose to exist in ideal virtual world while others will choose to explore space looking for perfect worlds. To be perfectly honest though, I believe humanity is going to be wiped off the Earth sooner or later before that happens.
I think that UFO's may exist somewhere in the universe, but I don't believe there was any real occurence of an UFO in our solar system so far. People just like to believe there was.
I think it's the most likely that humans would try to travel around the galaxies and inhabit some of the planets on their way. It would grant us some more resources to develop, some more space to overcome overpopulation and give us a greater chance of finding some alien life forms. I hope that we won't be the ones who would be hostile towards another races.
As for the end of our civilization I’m really keen on the Matryoshka Brain idea, something like the “Ready Player One” VR world.
>What do you think is the possible end for us as stellar civilization? Is it the way of resource consumers, that don’t care about other species (example with squirrel), fanatic purifiers (example with perfect weapon), it is the way of eternal life in virtual reality of infinite pleasure (matryoshka brain) or something else?
As I said before, its too early to give a proper answer, but if we manage to communicate with other civilization, it would be either a good cooperation, or one of the bad outcomes. As for "matryoshka brain"... Well, Agent Smith has already told you what happens if you create a 100% happy image of our race:
https://youtu.be/JrBdYmStZJ4?t=23s
I doubt any of this happens in our lifetime.