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Week 3 [22-28.10.18] Moon x SpaceX

Most of us know what SpaceX and who Elon Musk is, but let's say few words for the ones who do not know.

Elon Musk is a business magnate and investor. He is also the founder and CEO of SpaceX, TeslaNeuralink, Hyperloop, The Boring Company, PayPal and many more. In 2016, he was ranked 21st on the Forbes list of The World's Most Powerful People and in 2018, he has a net worth of $19.8 billion which listed him as the 46th-richest person in the world. That should more or less illustrate you who he is.

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What is SpaceX then? Space Exploration Technologies Corporation is a privately held rocket and spacecraft company founded in 2002. What makes it great is that SpaceX has been a disruptive force in the worldwide launch industry because its launch services are less expensive than many of its competitors. SpaceX has been able to lower the cost of space travel, largely by manufacturing some of its own parts and making rockets reusable rather than discarding them at take-off.

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            One of the most recent Musk’s ideas is to create first private passenger to fly around the Moon. The mission is planned for 2023 and would be the first lunar journey by humans since 1972. Only 24 humans have visited the Moon - all of them Americans; 12 of them landed on the moon. Nasa's Apollo 17 in 1972 marked the last time humans landed on the moon or went beyond low Earth orbit. So how they want to get there? The company said the flight on board the Big Falcon Rocket (BFR) - a launch system that was unveiled by Mr. Musk in 2016 - represented "an important step toward enabling access for everyday people who dream of travelling to space". The BFR has never flown, but Mr. Musk has released some technical details about it.

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The rocket is expected to stand 118m high and have a diameter of 9m. By comparison, the Falcon Heavy is 70m tall and consists of a central rocket core surrounded by two boosters, each with a diameter of 3.66m. Elon Musk unveiled new artist impressions of the BFR and the spaceship which will carry passengers around the Moon. It appeared to confirm some design changes to the spaceship, including three large fins near the back and a black heat-shield on the craft's underside. Eventually, the BFR should be able to lift a whopping 150 tones into low-Earth orbit - that is more than the US Saturn V rockets that lofted the Apollo spacecraft.

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            In 2017, Elon Musk announced that he would be sending two paying passengers on a loop around the Moon - which was to have launched as early as this year. Earlier on Twitter, Musk had already hinted that the passenger would be from Japan. Finally, Japanese billionaire and online fashion tycoon Yusaku Maezawa, 42, announced: "I choose to go to the Moon.". Mr. Yusaku made headlines last year after paying $110.5m for a painting by the late artist Jean-Michel Basquiat at an auction in New York. The art enthusiast said on Monday he would invite six to eight artists from around the world to join him on the trip. "They will be asked to create something after they return to Earth. These masterpieces will inspire the dreamer within all of us," he told reporters. Maezawa will not land on the moon. He will travel on what is called a "free return trajectory", which will bring his BFR ship back to Earth after it has gone around the far side of the satellite.

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Questions:

1. What do you think about this move? Is sending tourists to the moon profitable for the SpaceX?
2. Would you like to go with Mr. Maezawa to the moon? How much would you do to participate?
3. Do you think travels to the moon will become more common and in 10 years anyone could stand on our satellite?

Comments

Wojtek Protasik said…
I'm not familiar with the costs and I do'n't know how to fly to the moon, but I has to be profitable, the company wouldn't work otherwise. Personally I would focus on space exploration, not the commercial part of it, but maybe it's a good way to fund the rest.

I would love to to be on board. I guess I could stop eating snacks to weigh less during the flight. It's a huge effort.

Not unless there is good profitable reason to go there back and forth. I've heard about theories how to use the Moon as a base for further exploration.
Lukasz Mroczek said…
It’s hard for me to say whether that kind of move will be profitable for SpaceX but in my opinion, someone like Elon Musk won’t lead his own company in bad way so it must be profitable or at least they won’t loose any money on it. Also, I’m sure that Elon is conscious that such movement will make him even more popular and will be a great advertising campaign.
Of course that I’d like to go to the moon! On the other side, my soul have nothing to do with art so…
For sure, travels to the moon will become more common but I think that not in 10 years but 50 seems enough.
Foodocado said…
Every company that Elon runs were successful (some people will disagree) and he wouldn't have achieved that by making mistakes decisions. Great minds stand behind that move, not only Elon Musk. I am sure it's a profitable decision.

I would love to go to the moon! However, it's impossible for me to join Mr. Maezawa due to lack of skills in art. Maybe sometime in the future, I will be as much rich to afford to buy a ticket for myself.

I believe we will be able to stand on the moon, but not each of us. Those trips will be extremely expensive...
Bartosz Barnat said…
Elon Must showed as already from Tesla, Paypal and spaceX that he have a great mind for business and he knows what he is doing. I suppose that sending tourists to a moon was his deliberate decision and he knows what he is doing and will give him a big publicity that comes with earnings.

I would like to go on the moon with my friends or famili and earn myself for a ticket. I don't like to compete in sort of that things.

I think travelling through space, to the moon or other planets will get more popular when it will get cheaper so if scientists and engineers will find a way of fast and cheap way to travel through space it will get a lot more popular because for now 90% of people can't afford it
Unknown said…
1. I think that if such an idea exists, it means that it is profitable.
2. I do not want to fly to the moon, I am a completely non-creative person. Most likely, when this idea become in life - I will already have a family and children, I guess I would not dare.
3. I believe that we need to add the medical testimony to this idea, as I understand it, that people with a sick heart, lungs, low pressure will not withstand this flight unless of course, they don't want to go on their last journey! Therefore, the theory is quite utopian for earthlings, with our ecology and health, not many will be able to take advantage of this opportunity. My idea is to create favorable conditions on Earth for humans and launch robots into orbit.
I believe Elon Musk knows how to run the business and if sending tourists to the moon is direction he decided to choose it is probably profitable for his company. I am not familiar with costs of space travels but sending tourists in space sounds like a milestone from what we had in 1960s and that’s very promising for the future.

I would love to go with Mr. Maezawa to the moon! I think this experience would change my perspective forever. Probably in next 10 years those kind of travels will get more popular however they are extremely expensive so scientists would need to find a way how to make them cheaper first.
I think that this is good move. First of all I'm glad that there a man who decided to invest in this flight big amount of money to get firs tourist trip to the moon. Global plan of SpaceX is mars and trip to the moon is mostly test before this more dangerous trip. I think that SpaceX has a huge profit from this mission because in this case they can start R&D much more earlier because they get enough money for the start and this is good investment to make humanity a space nation.
For me going to the moon would be worst nightmare ever, mostly because I'm afraid of flying. I don't get it why people are still so much into Elon Musk. He is great businessman and marketer, but he isn't great scientist for sure.
I think that idea of sending tourists to the moon is great. It will generate additional profit which will help the company to grow up. This is very important because space travels require advance technology and a lot of experience. After many flights and loads of money to improve whole process, people will be able to expand their journeys to space and this will unlock others interesting possibilities like colonization.
I would like to flight with Mr. Maezawa, I think that would be outstanding experience. However, in my opinion, I am not well suited for such events, I am not an artist neither I have millions of dollars. Maybe in a future when space travels will be more common there will be need for programmers on space stations.
Unfortunately I am not so optimistic about idea that anyone will be able to visit the moon in 10 years. Currently, in order to transport relatively light cargo to the orbit rockets consumes enormous amount of fuel . As long as there will be no alternative technology, common people have very small chances to visit the moon.
Unknown said…
I think it is a cool idea and there are people who want to participate in such journey. If there are people who report to fly to Mars only one way, why not the Moon? In the Futurama cartoon, which presents the vision of the future on the moon, there was an amusement park (Luna Park). If I had the opportunity, I would gladly take part in such a trip. Elon Musk shows that things that have not seemed real for a long time are already within our reach.
The development of science is also driven by the needs of people. If people want to travel to the moon, it is possible that there will be more investors, and thus the space and technologies that allow such travel will develop more.
I think that it is a progress and it is visible even to the most sceptical people. Instead of making money on selling papers from one place to another like most of capitalistic structures are, Elon Musk uses money to make dreams a reality, to change the world and to make it a better place. I think that going to the Moon would be an incredible experience, and it's a shame that only a billionare can afford to make such a trip for now. As for what i would do (pretty strange question) i would decide it with mister Maezawa ;)
Like travels on ships, and then planes used to be an exquisite and super expensive affair, but now are a common thing to do, space travels will become cheap and available to every willing participant but i cannot be sure about time that would be needed for such transformation.
Unknown said…
Elon Musk is famous for his extraordinary moves like sending Tesla to space so there is nothing special in his new idea of sending tourists to the moon.
I don’t think that it will be non profitable move because the company wouldn’t work otherwise and Elon is rather not interested in paying for someone. Also, as was mentioned above, Elon probably makes this move in order to gain popularity so in the end this move will be profitable.

Yes, I would like to go to the moon. At least I would make sure that the Earth is not flat, but seriously it’s unbelievable experience.

Definitely such travels will become more common but 10 years seems like just not enough. I bet for at least 20-30.
Unknown said…
I do think that sending tourists to the moon would be profitable, even if the prices are high, as there's always people like Yusaku Maezawa who have enough money to be able to afford the high prices.

Myself, however, I would definitely like to visit the moon, however, the prices will most likely be significantly too high for me for a long time to come, since I would be willing to spend at most 1-2 thousand PLN on it.

I do think that travels to the moon will become more common over time, however 10 years is, in my opinion, definitely not enough to make travel to the moon available to everyone. I'd personally go with a more conservative estimate of 20 to 50 years.
It does not need to be profitable, from SpaceX perspective its the biggest PR move ever, every person in the world will know SpaceX name for being pioneers of private moon travel. What greatest powers int the world once struggled with once company does today.

To go with Mr. Maezawa to the moon? Well it would be once in a lifetime event but i guess it would be awkward as hell. Dont get me wrong i would do many thins to go (if im fit to) but it would ruin his and mine experience i feel.

Yes and no they are more common now already one private moon travel is more than zero but will they become even more common in 10 years ? Well maybe if the first one goes well i can see other rich ppl signing up.
I think this move will be very profitable for SpaceX and will bring a huge income to the company, as they will send only the most wealthy people. It will also bring them a lot of recognition and trust from future customers since such investment requires a lot of knowledge and skills to be safe and successful.
I would like to go with Mr. Maezawa. I would be handy when it comes to the technological side of the whole trip and in this way I would pay for my ticket.
I don’t think travels to the moon will become more common and I’m sure, even in 10 years, not everyone would be able to stand on our satellite. This kind of journey requires a lot of money and only a small percentage of society would be able to afford it.
Unknown said…
To be honest I am a huge fan of Elon Musk. I watch practically every start of the Spacex rocket, if I have the opportunity. Elon Musk has sold Paypal, so he is no longer his CEO as in the article. I’m sure he deserve his achievements and the money he earned, because he does what many do not dare, makes crazy decisions that turn out to be a hit. Some of people say he is from the future, maybe this is true because he thinks of ideas that even people did not dream about. In Spacex launches the most spectacular thing is that their rockets are able to return to Earth and land with no damage, something amazing to watch.

Sending people to the moon was once a sign of the power and strength of the country. Today it is showing that people have no limits in pursuing a goal.
I know that I will not be able to fly to the moon at the moment but I know that maybe someday it will be so popular that we can be on the moon once a week, so I'll wait.

First of all, I am not waiting for a trip around the moon, but I am looking forward to the flight to Mars, which is already in the plans of Spacex. This event will be recorded in history and we will be its witnesses!
Anna Moskalenko said…
I’m not sure is it profitable, rather not. But probably it’s a great advertising for SpaceX, so why not. Social media will definitely explode when this will happen.
I love my life so I’m not sure am I that much interested in going to the moon. But I’ll watch the live-stream from mr Maezawa’s flight, because there’s definitely be one, I think?
Travels to the moon definitely will become more common, but it won’t be that much cheap so that anyone can afford it. I think it’ll become a new way for rich people to show how rich they are. So they could say “I’m tired of Bahamas so I’ll go to the moon, I think” :)
I have no idea whether sending tourists to space is profitable or not for any company. I think it all depends on costs and the price set by a cetrain firm. Personally I'd love to travel to the Moon but I don't think I could sacrifice a lot for it. When it comes to the 3rd question. I don't think travelling in space will become that easy and cheap in even 20 years from now. Costs are enormous and I think that SpaceX team have a great challenge in front of them. I am really interested in how they will overcome it and reduce the costs of space travel further.
I think that is very innovative idea, but unfortunately it won’t be profitable for SpaceX.
Elon Musk is a great innovator, but on the same time financial dreamers.
Project Tesla is bringing 785.000 mln of loss annually.

No, i am not a big fan of travelling into space or exploring the cosmos.

I think that travels to the moon will never be common and available for every person, but can more accesable.
Unknown said…
1. In current technology, I do not think so? Of course, at the beginning all the tickets will sell out, but without reducing the cost of departure for orbits, there is no reason to expect any major profits.
2. I would like to but not over everything. I could probably take part in a competition but certainly nine as global as it is now
3. 10 years is rather too small, but 50? who knows
It is very interesting. I think that this kind of tourism will not at first pay for itself. But over time it will be better.

I love space very much and everything connected with it. Seeing my home from the moon is one of my desires. I would be happy to take part in the project, in exchange for a ticket to the moon.

I think that over time this type of tourism will be trendy. It will be more accessible to anyone, like a trip to the Maldives. I think that in ten years we will see us all on the moon.
Mykhailo Reznyk said…
I think that this is not about profit but more about spreading the idea of returning to space exploration. Elon Musk is known for his passion to improve the world we live in. This is just another step to achieve a greater goal. But of course, they will also, most likely, earn quite a lot, since space tourism will become a luxury trip for rich people, at least in the beginning. However, history shows us that after some period of time new ways of traveling become more and more common and available for everyone.
As for me, I don’t think that I would like to participate. Of course, it sounds great but in reality, you have to face serious physical overloads to reach orbit and then space. Your body should be prepared for a great stress it will be under during the launch. And then again, in the begging it will cost a fortune which I, unfortunately, do not possess.
I think, it's awesome and if SpaceX launched this grand campaign, they know what to do. Obviously , those tourists are not regular, they will pay decent amount of money, but also we must not forget, that Elon Musk is ambitious person and very passionate about cosmos and can close eyes on the financial side of this campaign. As he says, he isn't the best businessman. So, we can only wait.
I would love to go with Mr. Maezawa to the moon, such an event can happen once in a lifetime. No doubt, it will be a life changing experience. I would do anything to participate in it, of course, within a reasonable.
To be honest, I don't know, I am not sure about 10 years, but in 20 maybe. But, it will be costly, very costly. Everything changes rapidly nowadays, you don't even know what will happen next year.
Illia Lukisha said…
1. What do you think about this move? Is sending tourists to the moon profitable for the SpaceX?
I'm glad, that people again dream about space exploration and interstellar journeys. Space journeys never was profitable, but from space x's perspective, it's just a small step on the way to moon and Mars colonization.

2. Would you like to go with Mr. Maezawa to the moon? How much would you do to participate?
Probably not. I want to reach the stars and distant planets, but I'm not an artist and even if I personally would like the journey, I will not be able to express my feelings to other people.

3. Do you think travels to the moon will become more common and in 10 years anyone could stand on our satellite?
I think not anyone. Because even when costs of space tourism will decrease it will not mean that they become too available, but I think if moon will become a base for farther exploration, trips to the moon will become a common events.
Mr. Musk is an innovator and dreamer, but his moves are very risky. He has dreams that could become true, but it needs time and resources. Of course, he has a lot of money, but how this move could profit him back? In my opinion, there is no way that it can be profitable for Mr. Must.
I'm not a fan of space travel at all. If I would like to go, I would have to sacrifice too much, it's totally not for me.
Finally, I think that in the next 10 years technology won't evolve so quickly that space traveling becomes cheaper and easier.
Far since I was a child, I was interested in astronomy, space exploration and science fiction. Of course, I’d like to travel with Mr Maezawa. However, I remain realistic and I know I wouldn’t do that unless I was a billionaire.

SpaceX has a lot of high-value contracts with many agencies and corporations. Their goal has always been to reduce the cost of space exploration. I think they wouldn’t offer an opportunity to go around the Moon if it wasn’t affordable for them.

Thanks to companies like SpaceX and visionary minds like the one of Elon Musk, I believe we are getting closer to affordable space travels with every year. I don’t think that such journeys will become a common holiday plan for families in 2028, but I still think it will happen during our lifespan.
Cezary Róg said…
SpaceX is still in "development" phase so at the beginning we can't say about profits. One thing that I have in mind is how many billionaires will be crazy enough to risk their life for something that may end their lives. No one can guarantee that if let's say 3 missions to the moon were successful, the fourth one won't be a disaster.

I wouldn't like to join Mr. Maezawa. I feel like it's too risky. Many people can say now: "You can die in a plane crash...", "A car can hit you on a walk...", but these are situations that we can't predict and secure us against them.

Space exploration is still a topic which seems a bit science-fiction. I'm sure that more and more people will be able to stand on the moon, but I think that 10 years still too short period of time.
Elon Musk one of the most famous person of our century. He is a successful businessman and many of his projects, have become a new branch of progress in the 21st century. He subtly feels what is necessary for the community, and finds ways to achieve this. Well, obviously, make money on his projects. I think that earnings are one of the main motivators, and of course cannot do without passion for work.
Moon tourism is a great idea. I believe if exist a person, able to realize this project, this is Elon Musk. But for the prospect of space colonization, this is a huge leap forward.
Unknown said…
In my opinion sending people to the moon is to dangerous yet because people were on the moon a lot of year ago and for since now they didn’t repeat it. I think that first of all they should send now a lot of rockets on the moon to make this mission safety.
Answering your second question I’d rather not to fly on the moon with Mr Maezawa because I think people like him are too unkind ( nicely speaking ).
I hope that we will could visit the moon very fast but in my opinion after 10 years it will be still too expensive for most of people to do it.
Probably yes, but I guess space tourism will be very expensive and only small percentage of people could afford such pleasure.
Nowadays when space travels requires high tech which cost a lot , it's not a profitable section.
Of course I would like top go to the moon, but I know that dream probably never come true, to be a valuable crew member you need to have specific skills along with good condition to mantain harsh conditions in space.
Maybe not in 10 years but near future probably this will be common way to spend time I am not saying it would be the same as going to the seaside but it will be more accessible. for common people.
Space is a part of a world we live in. It may not be intended as a location for a human to live in, but we managed to get there. Alive. So, if here is an opportunity and possibility... That means, that it can be used. And personally I do not see, why not. Sure, you can say that we have better things to do and invest money, that our planet is dying and we should put all the forces on to saving it rather than launching tourists into space for no reason. And you might be right. But it is an actual reason for it. That businessman wants to go to the Moon. And he has money for it. Can he be blamed for not in investing that money into some cancer cure research? Probably not, if you ask me.
Unknown said…
SpaceX is a company, so it has to earn money. It has to be profitable for the company to make it run. I believe they will find a way to earn on such excursions.

I would like to join Mr. Maezawa. I think it will be a historic moment for humanity so it will be awesome to have a chance to save my last name in such a historical event.

Definitely in the next ten years traveling to the moon will be much more common and affordable. It's worth to mention that in the next five years SpaceX is going to send people to Mars, so if we can send people so far away whe won't we explore some of other close planets?
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The space was always interesting for my. I've seen dozens of documentary movies about the space. How it cant be amusing if some of the rules of physic there are totally different ? As I read some of Musk's interview he said that as a child he was extremely curios and always wanted to make this world a better place. To the question is it goin to be profitable ? My answer is yes it will. I sure that there are hundreds of thousands of people who are attracted to space.
For now there are just few way to get into the space. One of them is to became an astronaut which is not what I would chose. Another one is money. I guess I would spend a hundred thousands dollars to make this happened. Unfortunately right now I don't have such amount of money and still it would not be enough.
However, I'm sure as science goes further and further in 10 - 20 years it will be much chipper. Also even in such expensive and complicated area there is a competence. So I hope in the nearest future my dream come true.
Unknown said…
1. I am not aware of SpaceX detailed business model, but as long as it is privately held company it has to return a profit. So yes, sending tourists to the moon has to be profitable for SpaceX.
2. Going to the moon still sounds so abstract to me thatI have never considered it seriously. But of course, given a chance to do so I will go with Mr. Maezawa.
3. I think that after successful journey of Mr. Maezawa flying to the moon will become one of the hobbies of multimillionaires form all over the world
SpaceX has been a big thing for all the space enthusiasts over the last couple of years. As opposed to NASA and other space agencies, their goal is not exploration, data collection and space race, but rather the thing that has been a driving force for a lot of innovation since the beginning of industrial revolution – cold hard cash. After having colonized most of usable land on earth, the next frontier is in space. People clever enough to realize that will be more than willing to pay large sums to a company that’s reaching for the stars, for the promise of fat dividends they (or their children) will be reaping after our civilisation grows out of the tiny Earth and turns its eyes towards Moon, and possibly other planets. Musk is not a person that lacks good business intuition, and if he sees possible profit and possibility for expansion in the space tourism, then I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes that happen. After all a similar thing was already tried earlier (on a closer to Earth scale) with SpaceShipOne, and it ended up being reasonably successful. Would I be dying to get a spot on a flight around the Moon? Most likely not. I’m in no rush, as I believe that we’ll be getting a lot closer and more intimate with space in the coming years, and what now is a stunt for the most wealthy may become a common activity as I’m raising my grandkids. Would I decline if I were offered such a thing? Definitely not.

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