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Week 8: How coronavirus is ushering in a new era of concerts

 As we know music industry was also affected by COVID-19, mostly because of cancellation all of the live shows, music festivals and concerts. Artists, to make it through this hard time, are forced to come up with new ideas, how to perform for their audience despite of restrictions. Watch the short film below to know new methods of performing.




1.       Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?

2.       Would you buy ticket on such online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?

3.       How do you think music industry will be evolving by time? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziPivkN-yaA&ab_channel=WallStreetJournal

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I don't see how online concerts should be any less ethical than normal ones. It's certainly a different thing from a physical event and should be treated as such, probably with much lower ticket prices or perhaps complete free entry sustained by advertisements. However, a service of value is still being offered here, so everything is ethical - people pay for entertainment which they receive. Online, streamed concerts can actually be in a manner more ethical than ordinary ones, as they allow artists to cut out middlemen, managers, landlords renting stages, and all other third parties who exploit their labor and talent and offer nothing but logistics which can readily and cheaply be replaced by online infrastructure.

I'm not personally a big fan of concerts, so I don't think I would go to one regardless of it being online or not. I prefer to enjoy music with my pair of headphones, in the comfort of a nice armchair at home. I'm rather sensitive to loud noise, so this could perhaps be the reason for this. This isn't to say that I don't enjoy what most would call "loud music", but I'd rather listen to it at a reasonable volume and without the incidental noise generated by hundreds or thousands of people around me polluting the sound.

I don't expect online concerts to obsolete physical ones. They actually predate the pandemic by a while, since smaller individual musicians have been live-streaming their performances for a long time. The pandemic will doubtlessly popularize this practice and make it occur more often with ensembles and bands, but people go to concerts not just for the live performance of music, but for the social aspects of the event - being in the crowd, probably with one's friends, enjoying something as a group. Online experiences do not replicate that.
Bartosz Gołda said…
@Tadeusz Pawlonka
Thank you for your comment.
To be honest I haven’t seen any online events which price was similar to regular performances yet, but I witnessed online stand-up, that price in fact was lower, but almost whole programme was repeated from the show I’ve seen before quarantine. I was angry, because I spent my money on it and the quality of the venture was really bad - both technical side and comedian that was performing.
I’ve seen a lot of artists who made non-profit live-streams on their fanpages/sites or they were collecting money by donations from audience (mostly for a good cause). I do understand that they also have to earn money in some way in this tuff situation, but I don’t respect online events that are prepared fast, cheap and badly with a lot of technical problems. Unfortunately, I don’t agree with you that managers and landlords exploit artists. In my opinion they’re important if someone wants to raise the level of his shows. The bigger place for event, the more people will come. The more attractions manager ensures, the better show audience gets. Despite the fact that some online events are made incredibly good (like the Travis Scott’s concert in Fortnite) I would never compare it to live shows with, like you said, “loud noise” and “incidental noise generated by (…) thousands of people” which in my opinion make live concerts more exciting and livelier than just performance itself.
1. Sure, why not? By all means, I believe that earning money from concerts online is ethical. This is business. And as long as people buy and there is income from it, it's okay.

2. No, I wouldn't buy a ticket online because I don't like concerts and I've never been to one.

3. I don't think online concerts will push out live concerts. The live concert looks different. It sounds natural and interesting. There are more emotions. People. You can meet them and talk to them.
1. Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?
Yes! because even If an artist performs online they still do the job! However, these shows should be more encouraging than just recording in a studio. Maybe some kind of new format when the artist is more connected to the audience. When I’m going to the concert I’m longing for a feeling of some kind of realness and closeness to the artist. Once I hugged Saide Pinn (singer from the duo Crim3s) and I felt so happy! (my ticket cost me like 30 zł and I know that sometimes people pay thousands for meet and greet with famous artists) For me, this was like an experience of combining all my hours of listening to their music alone on headphones with hearing and seeing them live in the moment. Another mesmerizing moment for me was a concert by Jozef Van Wissem. His music is beautiful and magical but hearing this live was just amazing (I felt like I’m there, everywhere and in eternity - I think it’s the specific of hearing a lute live. This is a very old instrument and I just couldn’t resist thinking about all the people before who sat like me and listening to this music. I also have the same experience while watching the fire. I think about all the people who sit in silence watching it and think how was their lives? Were they happy? Lonely? Maybe they were sitting with their loved ones or they were fleeing from something dangerous and hiding in the woods with a small fire which brings them warmth)

2. Would you buy a ticket to such an online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?

Sure I would buy a ticket like this but also I would expect a lower price for a digital concert.

3. How do you think the music industry will be evolving? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?

I think that online concerts might become more popular but they will not end the era of live music. Online concerts are of course more available but they will not be as engaging and fun as live ones. Sometimes you go to the concert to sit and listen to beautiful music and sometimes you want to mosh and to rip off your throat (and it’s hard to feel this vibe at home - can you imagine doing a wall of death in your living room?).
Bartosz Gołda said…
@Igor Goryszewski

I totally agree with you that online concerts won’t crowd live shows out. There are too many factors that won’t allow that. Although, we can already participate in some events in Virtual Reality and kind of feel like we’re there but being around real people is currently irreplaceable. Maybe in a few years this will change. Who knows:)

@Justyna Woźniak

I’m so glad that you could hug an artist that you really like! I know this feeling! Once I had similar situation on my second concert of Post Malone. This was few years ago and that time I was a huge fan of his work and I stood in the first row on his show at Opener in Gdynia. After his performance he walked down the stage and we highfived. Incredible moment and emotions.
And yes, I can’t imagine doing a wall of death or crowd surfing in my living room haha!
FilipJatelnicki said…
Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?
Yea, I don't see why it might not be. It is entertainment, nobody is being hurt or caused pain, and people are paying for what they wish.

Would you buy ticket on such online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?
I wouldn't. The value of the concert is live music or a social aspect of such events. As social needs might be fulfilled via online concert for some it wouldn't for me.

I see no difference between playing music on Spotify or Youtube and online concerts.

How do you think music industry will be evolving by time? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?

I think it will not. The social part is too important for many and I don't think it is easily replaceable with VR.
When we consider experiencing music.
Pop music concerts are often nothing more or even worse than playing music on headphones. The classical music, rock or jazz music concerts are a completely different experience.
Michał Gawron said…
1. Yes of course. Artists sell the music experience. Online concerts are also a form of their transmission. I myself have not been to such a concert, but I think that such initiatives are very cool and improve the mood of many people who are tired of lockdown and all these pandemic things.

2. As I already mentioned, I haven't been to such a concert. Would I buy? I do not know. I don't think so. Although who knows what the situation would be. So far I'm on it, but I don't criticize people who go to such concerts. Better than sitting down and feeling sorry for yourself.

3. Whether online concerts will push the live ones out, I don't believe it, but you can't really be sure of anything. It is not known how it will all turn out. I think this is an option, but I wish it wasn't.
Bartosz Gołda said…
@FilipJatelnicki

You wrote, that “pop music concerts are often nothing more or even worse than playing music on headphones”. It depends on artists. Some of them take care to provide the audience unforgettable entertainment and emotions in many ways. I wouldn’t compare it to just listening music on headphones. On the other hand, there are also artists who just come out on stage and lip-synch. I find it disgraceful.

@Michał Gawron

I also think that such initiatives are good for people. Even small events can improve peoples’ mood. Taking care of mental health is important during this tuff time, when we can’t even meet with friends during New Year’s Eve 😊
1. Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?

I don't think that there is anything wrong with making money on online concerts. I don't see why it would have anything to do with ethics. I wouldn't myself buy such ticket but if people want to then they should be allowed to do so. Those are just another pay per view events. People used to buy concerts on dvd so I it is not that much of a new thing. If the show is worth it and the effects are actually good, why not?

2. Would you buy ticket on such online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?

I would buy such tickets under very specific conditions. Online streaming gives us a lot of opportunities to arrange shows on the other level. Artists should use that to make a "music video quality" shows. The other condition is that I would really have to adore the artist. If that would be the only opportunity to hear that artist's new album - I would consider buying the ticket.

3. How do you think music industry will be evolving by time? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?

I think that those concerts might have already outnumbered the real show because that is not a problem to have 50 000 people watching online. However, having 50 000 people in one stadium is a heavy task, but this is irrelevant. People can watch music videos anytime they want but they still rather see artist perform live. Shows have evolved throughout the years and nowadays lasers and holograms became a part of it. No matter how many effects you add, the artist is the most important actor and the live presence of the artist is the only thing that matters.
Maciej Karnicki said…
1. Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?

Artists are in a very tough spot because of the pandemic and they have to make the money somehow so I don't find it unethical if there are people willing to pay for concerts like this.

2. Would you buy ticket on such online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?

I would not, it's not even close to the real concert. I've been to a few live shows and the feeling of connection between the artist and crowd is something that can't be achieved online. However I would consider buying a ticket like that if I knew it's the artist's last resort.

3. How do you think music industry will be evolving by time? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?

I hope the pandemic will not change the music industry too much because I like the way it was working before the whole corona thing began. If the situation will so require then the online concerts might become more popular than live performances but in the long run I feel like the live concerts will reclaim the throne after the pandemic.
1. Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?
I think everyone has to earn some money in times of pandemic. Unfortunately, due to the specificity of their profession, artists are doomed to help from the government or to save money. You have to remember that not all artists are mega-stars earning millions of dollars. We need to take care of the poorest.

2.Would you buy ticket on such online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?
Of course I would. In these difficult times, we all need to support each other. As I mentioned, the poorest artists who do not earn millions of dollars need our help the most. I would certainly support small artists, for example Małgorzata Kozłowska - she is a young, polish talented musician.

3. How do you think music industry will be evolving by time? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?
I think online concerts will never be as popular as regular concerts. If people want to listen to music, they will choose an app like Spotify or YouTube. However, a live concert like this in the hall and in the stadium is a completely different experience. It seems to me that there is no chance that online concerts will become more popular.
Roman Dubovyi said…
1. Why won't it be ethical lol? If people are willing to pay...

2. No I wouldn't pay. Because it's not my thing.

3. Certainly not. People will never miss out watching their beloved celebrity irl. Also being on live concert connects fans in a certain way. Which of curse feels good.
Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?

1. I think if someone is willing to purchase such a service, why not. We are already buying PPV to watch a boxing fight or a football match. We can go to the stadium, but we prefer to watch it online. Nothing wrong with that. Business is business and I praise people for being able to move their business online, saving companies from collapses.

Would you buy ticket on such online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?

2. As for the concert, I would rather not buy such a ticket. Free YouTube service is enough for me.

How do you think music industry will be evolving by time? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?

3. No, I think that soon everything will be back to normal and people will start going to normal cultural events - live.
1. Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?

I believe that it is absolutely fine. It is known that such a format will not replace our experiences that accompany us during a real concert, however, the artist lives on publishing his songs and concert tours. In the era of a pandemic, online concerts are a good option. They can get us out of the remotely-home routine and put us in a better mood. In addition, online concerts are no different from streaming services such as Spotify, Netflix. If you want, you pay, if not, don't.

2. Would you buy ticket on such online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?

Sure, I would buy a ticket for such an event. It is a good springboard from everyday duties. I would like to see Marshmello. At concerts in the USA, apart from music, he has well-made visual settings: light beams, projections, fireworks. I think that during an online concert there would be more scope to show off.

3. How do you think music industry will be evolving by time? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?

I think the music industry will eventually move online. CDs will disappear and everything will be available online. But there is still a long way to go. As for online concerts, I think they will not be able to replace the traditional ones. The domain of the traditional ones is that you have the opportunity to meet music fans from all over the world in one place. You can discuss and have fun together.
Jakub Dzień said…
1. Do you find making money on online concerts ethical?

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If people want to pay money for such an event, I do not see any contraindications.

2. Would you buy ticket on such online concert? If so, which artist would you want to see online? If no, why?

I would not take part in this type of event. The concert is not only music but also a whole range of special effects and a unique atmosphere.


3. How do you think music industry will be evolving by time? Do you think that online concerts will eventually crowd live concerts out?

It seems to me that at some point online concerts will be a common practice but they will not replace conventional concerts. Probably in the near future, each concert will be broadcast online.
Bartosz Gołda said…
@Piotr Malanowski

People buying recorded concerts probably were there in person or just know exact show, but purchasing online ticket is much more different. No one knows what they’re going to see. People need to trust the artist that he/she won’t disappoint them.

@Daniel Trzaskoma

I totally agree that we should succour artists in need, but they also should take care of audience to keep them entertained. As I mentioned above, I was mad on Standup Online because of low effort
and a lot of technical problems.

@Paweł Bluszcz

I also prefer watching box/mma fights online. I can’t imagine my anger while many people like trainers/cameramen are obstructing the view of the fight. Watching them online makes me sure that I won’t miss something.

@Maciej Michalczyk

As far as I know Marshmello was one of the first artists that took part in VR show. I haven’t seen it yet, but I hope there will be more events with him so we could participate on such concert. :)
1. Yes, I think that this is quite adequate, since this is also creativity, and if there are people who are willing to pay for it, then this has a right to exist.
2. Yes, I've been to a few gigs and "gigs" online before and some I paid for and some were free. So I am ready to give money if I am interested in something or want to support a performer or artist.
3. Yes, I believe that this direction will continue to develop. I do not think that they will explain one another to the end, but it will give life, development to a new style and genre of performances.
1.
I don't understand why it would be unethical to make money at online concerts. If a listener wants to see an artist playing a concert live, they have to pay. Musicians mainly earn money from concerts and selling clothes and gadgets. If they can't play concerts, they can't make any money. If an artist is able to encourage millions of players to install a game to see his concert, then he should be paid for it. Let's not forget that apart from the artist, there is also a team with him, which must also be paid. Not only the music band - also sound engineers, programmers, managers.
2.
If one of my favorite artists would arrange an online concert - I would pay with great pleasure. With online concerts, you can participate in the concert without having to queue up to the gates or the toilet, you can adjust the volume of the music and see more than at the big concert. Advantages only :)
3.
I don't think that online concerts will replace standard concerts. They are very different and do not exclude each other. It is possible that they will be connected to each other to enable more people to participate in a concert.
Agnieszka Duda said…
I don't see a reason why is wouldn't be ethical. Everyone's doing their best to survive these hard times. But I probably wouldn't purchase a ticket for such event, especially in a price of a regular, live concert. It's not just the same, it's not possible to replicate live concert's atmosphere and the whole experience.
When the pandemic is over, there's no way online events will crowd live concerts out. Artists will want to make as much money as they used to and I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be many people willing to pay the equavilent of the price they would usually pay for a live concert, for live event. As well as artists wouldn't want to work for free or ecen the fraction of the money they would make doing live event.
Michał Gawron said…
1. Yes, I consider this option very often. One day I would like to try living in many countries. I wish I could do it, but I know it will be very hard. All my friends are here, all my life. Maybe I'll try sometime. My dream is to live in America or Australia. Although I am also considering Japan and South Korea. These directions seem mega to me.

2.It seems to me that each of them provides relevant information depending on what and how we are considering. I do not know which one is more appropriate. But if I had to make a blind pick, I would choose the second option.

3. I think they are definitely useful. They somehow reflect the real standard of living in the country, which may be useful for many people. When someone does not know where to move, and is looking for the best possible living conditions, such a set of data will definitely be useful to him.

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