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Week 7 [27.11 - 03.12.2017] Eye Contact Does Count

The video blog author KaptainKristian has published a seven-minute video, in which he analyzed how the film "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" by Robert Zemeckis was shot and what difficulties had to be encountered by its creators in order to incorporate animated characters into the film.

As the author of the video notes, one of the main difficulties of such films is putting the animated characters in the frame in such a way as to achieve the correct correlation of the position of their eyes with the views of the actors. Most often, the creators of such films could not do it - so the final shots did not look too realistic: talking to cartoon characters, the actors looked past them.

"Who framed Roger Rabbit," says KaptainKristian, is one of the best examples of how this problem was resolved. In the video, he compares how those or other scenes looked on the set and in the final version of the film.

Please, watch the video below and tell me your opinion about this old film. Do you think the endeavors of incorporating the cartoon characters were worth it? Do you like the idea of mixing video and animation? If yes, what is your favorite example?



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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Framed_Roger_Rabbit

Comments

Unknown said…
I don't like mixing actor and cartoon characters. I hate life-action movies based on cartoons - they are almost awalys awful and looks like mistake.
But when I was younger, in primary school, as everyone I absolutely loved 'Space Jam'. It was so amazing how good it looked. Now, something like that doens't make an impression on anyone - but then? It was a hit. Everone loved it, everyone was watching it. Having 'Space Jam' on VHS was making you a super cool.
Unknown said…
This idea doesn’t appeal to me. For me it shouldn’t be mixed. In my opinion animation is a great idea and was worth inventing to create animated movies but it doesn’t go with videos. All the more that it needs great amount of effort. The first think that came to me after watching this short video was that they had to be motivated to do such thing because there were so many challenges to defeat. I respect it but to be honest I don’t like watching mixed animation with movie.
It's hard to me to say if it was worth it, because I'm not a big fan of this movie. However " Who Framed Roger Rabbit" is a movie that has quite good reviews, so let's say that effort put into that movie wasn't meaningless.
I'm quite neutral when it comes to mixing video and animations - I think that if something is good, I simply enjoy it. I try to be open for new experiences so I do not have rules like " I do not watch anime or horrors movies". As a boy who was raised in nineties, I'm huge fan of "Space Jam" and that's probably my favourite movie that mixes animation with video.
Space jam always in our heart <3 I think that there is an idea about doing remake with Lebron James.
Unknown said…
Thanks for this video...traditional cell animation was a big part of my childhood, growing up. This clip illuminates the magic behind what is sadly almost a dead art form: hand drawn cartoons...but this was a great example of traditional animation with the craft at its best and it's nice to remember that. Cheers to any past, current or even future animators that have worked hard to put a smile on people's faces.
My favorite is "Roger rabbit" , best of my opinion animations here.
Good topic to discuss here. In my opinion that old movie was a kind of breakthrough. Speaking about combination of video and animation, i would say that is amazing idea.You would ask why? It gives more reality to a viewer. When i was 6 i used to watch MOnsters, Inc. and that was an unforgettable experiece for me as a child
Unknown said…
My favourite movie with cartoon characters is "Space Jam". When I was a small kid I used to watch it every Sunday on VHS. I "borrowed" the video tape from my cousin and still didn't give it back. The mix of cartoon characters and real people works really well in this movie.
Unknown said…
I am agree with you, guys. Space Jam was awesome and very unique movie. If they would make the remake I will be glad to watch it at the cinema. I think my love to basketball has started after this good old movie..
Unknown said…
You are right about that process, they should be very passionated about what they do, and also it wasn't the time of high technology and they were kind of pioneers. So maybe it was their motivation..
Unknown said…
I think people who was raised in nineties didn't have a big choice, but almost everything that has been produced in that time seemed to be so interesting and innovative. Maybe that's why we still feel nostalgic about Space Jam, it was so "wow")
Unknown said…
Thanks for your comment, I am glad that this short video made you feel this way. About the hand drawn cartoons - it is still alive, but not as popular as before.. But there are still some awesome hand drawn animations that win prizes at different festivals..
Unknown said…
Totally right - this combination gives a possibility to create something unreal, but still based on traditional video. A few days ago i accidentelly recollected about the movie clip "Stylo" by Gorillaz. And this is a great example of such combination:)
Alicja said…
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Alicja said…
A hybrid of live action and animation can be quite entertaining.
"Who framed Roger Rabbit" definitely showed that it was worth producing it. It had an influence on popular culture (with Jessica Rabbit becoming one of the best well known sex symbols) and it was an absolute hit at the box office.

I can't recall movies other than the already mentioned Space Jam and an adult movie Heavy Traffic. You mentioned "Stylo" of Gorillaz, and I remembered there was also
Paula's Abdul Opposites Attract: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xweiQukBM_k
Unknown said…
If it is not only something like "Let's create a movie with mix of animation and live action because it sounds funny", but also some specific humour behind the idea of creating such mixed movie or any other interesting thoughts, it is worth it. The main rule: instead of setting making hybrid of live action and animation as the main target, it should be used only as a tool to tell a specific story with it. I really enjoy "Who framed Roger Rabbit" and for me, it is the best example of hybrid movie done right.
Filip Sawicki said…
Back in those days incorporating cartoon characters into live-video was truly unique experience. Nowadays this technique wouldn’t sell like “Who framed Roger Rabbit”. I think that current viewer has different expectations than couple of years ago, so mixing video and animation wouldn’t be worth it. Personally, I neither love nor hate this, possibly because this movie genre is not appealing for me.
Unknown said…
It's always been difficult to combine computer graphics and films (and 2D and 3D too). Maybe it doesn't look as natural as combination of 3D and films, but I like the idea.
I didn't saw the film, but I saw the trailer. And it looks amazing. Rabbit reacts so naturally, it's easy to believe he's real. I like the most the part about interaction, where the rabbit was breaking plates and moving objects around. Or when Jessica touched the man's jacket.
Although I'm not a huge fun of mixing video and animation, I admire creators behind “Who framed Roger Rabbit” because they did an excellent job - it looks so realistic. I do love watching animated movies they are way more magical then regular movies :D
Unknown said…
Thank you for that video, I have already forgotten about it, haven't seen it for years. I used to like it. Nice that you have actually mentioned Jessica Rabbit as a sex symbol, I think she is still well-know even among the people, who haven't watched the movie.
Unknown said…
exactly:) this is the way I think about the mixture of video and animation and the possibilities it gives. Thanks for you comment)
Unknown said…
Thanks for your comment. Of course I am agree with you about the technique, but I think the idea itself could be used nowadays, and it will be. Only the tools will be different, for example 3D animation, I can hardly imagine the modern fantasy film without 3D animation. Expectations are changing, technologies too, but the idea is similar, in my opinion:)
Unknown said…
Well, I recommend you to give it a try if you liked the trailer. Maybe you won't be amazed by this movie, but it could still be interesting;)
Alicja said…
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Alicja said…
yep, I think so too. My friend dressed up as Jessica Rabbit for a carnival party. She rocked that dress and a red wig - everyone recognized who she was dressed as :)
Yevhen Shymko said…
"Space Jam" was the first movie with such shoot in such a technique and I do remember thet evening with my family when there was snowing outside for few ours and mom backed some cookies and we gathered in front of TV on weekend night and for me at that age it was like magic. I loved Bugs Bunny cartoons and for me it was like Christmas present to me.
Magdalena Popek said…
I wasn't aware such techniques are used to incorporate the cartoon carachters into the real world. I always thought they were 100% animated with no help of robots, etc.
I have never like the idea of mixing animation and video. For me it just doesn't look good.
Unknown said…
The process of cartoon incorporation is tough for both moviemakers and actors. However, I don't like the idea of mixing video and animation, therefore I don't think the endeavors of incorporating the cartoon characters were worth it. I guess it is caused by lack of good examples, wich I didn't see in my life. Maybe if I see well designed animated-video movie, I will change my mind.
Maciej Główka said…
When I was a child, I loved movies with real actors and cartoons. I watched space jam so many times.. To be honest, nowadays I'm not a big fan of cartoon incorporation. I can't even name such movie from last few years. However, I respect and admire the amount of work that must be done to achieve this.
Tomasz Morawski said…
I'm not really fan of this kind of movies but I don't hate it as well. The only one I can remember and liked was "Space Jam". It wasn't a masterpiece, though, and looked more like one, big advertisement. Fortunately for us, it turned out to be quite entertaining advertisement.
Generally speaking, if the show is well made, the technique doesn't matter that much to me.
Unknown said…
I think the endeavors of incorporating animated scenes into real movie was worth it. It is very special kind of movie which brings much fun as I was watching it. The making of animated movie scenes were not perfect but close to. Eye contact wasn't much bad. I don't know which mixed animated and video is the best, because I don't watch that kind of movies.
Unknown said…
Firstly, thanks a lot for the introduction and interesting video about animation. I reckon that people, who shot this movie were tiring of it, because of lack of advanced technology,which would help to create it easier from technical perspective. In fact, it was worth in the 90s, because that movie was something totally new. However, I don't like the idea of mixing video and animation, I am a believer of traditional films.
Foodocado said…
Mixing video and animation doesn't appeal to me. I was raised on cartoons and in my opinion these two segments of TV should be separated. It's possible that I am wrong, because I didn't encounter the good example of such mix.
I love a good Disney movie, especially one with good music (lately Frozen and Moana). But i just don't find this kind of family friendly movies as appealing as I did in my youth. I'm getting old :)

I actually don't recall many mixed movies, the only one I can think of was Space Jam(1996). I think movies have moved to talking animals in the recent years, easier to make.

Actually I do recall one, Alvin and the Chipmunks was a mix of movie and animation. I haven't seen a single one though, just not my type of movie.
Unknown said…
I remember that movie: Michael Jordan & Bugs Bunny: Space Jam. Watched it a lot when i was like 6-8 years old. AS you said. We had no big choice being small kids back then. Somehow i still like this movie.
Marta P said…
The endeavors of incorporating the cartoon characters were worth taking them, because the effect is spectacular. From engineering point of view such issues are problems to be technically solved. The solutions are successful, when it is possible to achieve the effect assumed – this is different for different people, of course. Technically I like the impression of natural dialogues and other interactions shown in the firm, but I don’t like the idea of combining the two kinds of “cinema art” like this. I consider such mix as artificial one, for me film shall be a film, and cartoon shall be a cartoon. I mean film is recorded, while cartoons are prepared in a different way; linking them as technologically possible, on the other hand doesn’t ensure coherency of the action, because something must be lost anyhow – but this is only my opinion.
Unknown said…
I like mixing movies with animations. It's good that these kinds of movies are very rare. When I was a child I liked movies leke "Space Jam" very much, with characters from Looney Tunes company. I watched this movie over and over again. I think that it was something new. It was a very good idea to connect Bugs Bunny with top basketballer Michale Jordan. I'm a little sad that people make movie only on 3D animation . I would like to go to the cinema and old cartoon movies.
Unknown said…
I don't mind mixing animation with video- it if's done well then you can enjoy it, just as any other movie. I don't remember anything other than Space Jam, although I'm interested in watching "Who framed Roger Rabbit" after reading this article.
Modern cartoons don't have this problem as they are made almost 100% with computer graphics. Compare that to some good old Looney Tunes or Tom & Jerry cartoons, where every scene was hand-made, and you'll see how much work was needed even for "simple cartoons for kids".
Jakub Lisicki said…
I really hate the movies where the animation is mixed with real-life recordings. For me it's either one thing or another - not two at the same time. The only movie of this kind I can tolerate is "Space Jam". I guess that's just out of pure nostalgia. I remember watching it as a kid and enjoying it. I wouldn't want to watch it again though, because it may break my good memories.
Unknown said…
Personally I don't have problem with mixing cartoon characters and actors. I remember one movie it was "Space Jam", and I loved it. I also saw a lot of mixed movies which they were bad. If it's well made I have no problem with watching that kind of movie.
Unknown said…
I personaly love animations. Some people believe that this kind of movie is meant for kids - it annoys me. Why would a a style of motion picture that requires hundreds and hundreds of hours of work to produce be meant only for kids just because most of them are PEGI 3?

As for the questions - of course putting characters in live action movies is worth it if it produces a great movie. In this example this exact thing happened and I think it is wonderful that people try to do something different and innovative. Too bad that I will never look at animations in the same way after watching the video above.
Unknown said…
My favourite movie with cartoon characters was the previously stated Space Jam, even though it has been a few years since I last watched. I like the concept of mixing video and animation under the condition that it is done well. Who Framed Roger Rabbit seems to be made the proper way :)
As a kid I loved Space Jam movie. Making one of those kind of movies can be really tough for the actor who plays only with himself (rest of the characters are animated). Maybe not the same but similar experience had Ian McKellen acting in the Hobbit movies. Where almost all characters are hobbits and dwarfs, which are smaller than human, and Ian had to sit around greenscreen and play alone. This almost made him quit acting.
Unknown said…
I haven’t seen “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” movie but fragments posted are really impressive to me. I think that incorporating cartoon characters into traditional movie was a great idea which made it more vivid and colorful. I liked KaptainKristian’s review as it shows great attention to details demonstrated by film producers and explains how particular scenes, with cartoons incorporated, were made.
I like the trend of mixing cartoons and normal movies and my favorite is one of the most popular of its kind “Space Jam” with Michael Jordan and Looney Tunes starring roles.
Marcin Górski said…
When I was a child I loved to watch "Space Jam" movie. It was very interesting when Michael Jordan had to play with Looney Tunes characteristics.
In my opinion mixing video and animation is good idea. It isn't clichéd... I don't like dreariness in movie industry.
Patryk Pohnke said…
The effects of this works are just simply stunning. All those cartoon scenes looks so realistic. Animator took every single detail into account.
To be honest I'm not a huge fan mixing real actors with cartoon characters. I recall Space Jam, as it was a huge hit made by Warner Bros a couple of years ago.
Zygmunt Z said…
I am not a huge fan of movies where there is a mixture of video and animation but I must say that I really enjoyed watching "Looney Tunes: Back in Action" where characters like Bugs Bunny Duffy Duck casted. I have never seen "Who Framed Roger Rabbit" but looking at this interesting movie I might consider watching it somewhere in future. I am not a moviegoer but I think that the idea of introducing animation in todays movies is going to be more and more popular thanks to very advanced technology which already really helps producers, who knows what we will see within a few years...
Unknown said…
Mixing real video and animation rarely pays off. In case of "Who framed Roger Rabbit" it turned out quite awesome. Besides good ol Space Jam which really impressed in this field I can't name any other that was good enough. So I prefer either fully animated or fully natural ones. The eye contact mentioned makes a difference though, making animated characters fit. Didn't notice that small detail watching those movies. Good point.
I watched this movie couple of times when I was a kid, and I really liked it. I didn’t understand some parts but it was really fun to watch. Because of that I’m a little biased, and I think that it was definitely worth it. I like the idea of mixing video and animation and beside this example, my favorite one is definitely Space Jam.
Unknown said…
For my cartoons is the best with they own flow. Connected Cartoons with normal movie goes good only in "Space Jam". Rabbit with ducks it was good idea on movie. Now cartoons look very similar to normal actors so maybe now movies with cartoons no one gona find some differents in actions.
Personally I like both real videos, as well as cartoons, but mixing them both very often ends awfully - like in this case, I just don't enjoy watching it at all. It definitely can be done if somebody has decent idea how, but most of the time it's wasted effort.
I think, "Who framed Roger Rabbit" is a great movie, personally, I don't have any problem with mixing cartoon characters and real actors. If it looks nice and has intersting plot, why not? I really like a contrast beteewn real world and cartoon world, it makes movie more dynamic and exciting.
I don't remember a lot of this type of movies, but one movie that stands out is "Space Jam".
Thank you for the wonderful video. I learned a lot of new and useful things. I really hope that I will use new knowledge.
I'm really like a combination of classic animation and cinematography. It looks fresh and unusual. As a child, I'm watched "Space Jam" again and again, but watched a "Who framed Roger Rabbit" much later, thanks to the parents and their control over the TV. -_-
In my opinion, and according to the author of the video, the "Who framed Roger Rabbit" is one of the best in quality films of this genre. All these shadows and glare to fit cartoon characters into the real world is very organic. Many of the shown passages of other films were unfamiliar to me. I think it's worth investigating this issue and creating your rating of such films.
Unknown said…
I have to say that idea of mixing video and animations is not a really good idea for me. It looks a bit weird. Nowedays when we have better technology it looks better and such mixings are more acceptable.

I am concious that it was really hard to achieve such an effect but for me it was not worth it. Actors sometimes can't deal with imaginar characters and it looks really artifcial.
The idea that animators are lazy is ridiculous. Richard Williams is known for his technical brilliance but also for being a tyrant to work with. I've heard a story of him yelling at one of his animators for missing work to see his son being born. Animating multiple characters in a camera move is way more work. That is fine if the company asking for that is willing to put in the extra budget and time for it. I guess, the limiting factor to how good of animation we can see is budget and time, never the work ethic or skill of the artists. This video is very informative but I feel the other side of needs to be mentioned.
Unknown said…
I guess the idea was to show that weirdness, maybe not even weirdness but the different view on films and animation by mixing it. People had to pay attention, you could like it or not, but you were reacting anyway.
Unknown said…
Thanks for your comment:) I am glad that you found it useful and interesting, because for me it was also a new information. Nice idea about investigating the issue, as I see we don't know too much about this topic)
Unknown said…
Dynamic and exciting - exactly, you have found the right words. I have the same opinion. Thanks:)
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Unknown said…
Thanks for your opinion. I didn't catch the importance of eye-contact before too, but now I really see how it really works. And the best way to prove it is to show the examples of failures.
That film is not that old - I had 5 years when they made it :) The interaction of cartoon characters and movie actors was great. I miss that a lot currently - that was a fun movie. Baby with a cigar was a killer :) And the eye contact in that movie really made an illusion that this anime character is really in this movie. If someone never watched this - do it.
Unknown said…
baby with a cigar - yay!:) I had 2, but watched it a bit later of course) and I miss it too. It was easier to be surprised

The best films of this kind are certainly "Space jam" and "Looney Tunes: Back in Action". When I was little, I loved watching these movies, until the tape came down or I had to go to sleep. I think that this is an interesting combination, but in recent times no similar film has been recorded at a good level.
sasha | s14611 said…
"Who Framed Roger Rabbit" is a great movie. I saw few more movies where also were cartoon characters. "Space Jam" with Bugs Bunny was one of them. I watched it few times and really liked it. Maybe it's because I was a child, but still, I like idea of incorporating the cartoon characters into films.
Unknown said…
I have a great respect for creators of "Roger Rabbit". When I watched that movie, it was clear for me, that it was made by a group of talented, passionate and hard-working people. I have no doubt it is the best movie of its kind.

While I think "Roger" is the best, I also recommend "Cool World" which was mentioned in a video. "Cool World" is kind of a " Roger Rabbit" for adults. It addresses some interesting topics like falling in love with one's own creation or running from the real world problems by switching to imaginary reality. "Cool World" is far from ideal, but It has something to it.

I like movies that mix cartoon and real characters, but at the same time I am glad there are not many of those :P The niche character of those productions makes them really special.
Unknown said…
I'm not a big fan of the idea of mixing video and animation? If I had to choose one movie of the genre which I think was the best, it will be Space Jam with Michael Jordan and Bugs Bunny. It was supposed to appear the second part in 2017 but as you can see probably nothing will come out this year. The main character is will be LeBron James! Currently this film genre is very rare.
It's hard to record it well. Well enough to satisfied the people. You have to put in it a lot of work. It's much easier to separate these two movie genres. However, I can't wait for Space Jam 2!
Unknown said…
I’m big fan of cartoons, but this mix is okay. When I watch something and appreciate it - I simply enjoy it. Of course my favourite mix of video and animation is the one and only, legendary Space Jam. I’ve got one on VHS somewhere in my house ;).

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