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Week 3 [23-29.10.17] Zlatan

He was born in poor Bosnian family in Sweden. He had a difficult childhood. But hard work and self-confidence made him a hero. His skills and character are admired by millions of football fans. “Swedish style? No. Yugoslavian style? Of course not. It has to be Zlatan-style.”


1.         Do you think Zlatan is arrogant?
2.         Where is the border between confidence and arrogance?

3.         Would you like to work with somebody like Zlatan Ibrahimović?

Comments

1. Yeah, I definitely think that Zlatan is arrogant. In fact he is one of the most arrogant player in the world. Sad think is that he is kind of a person that talk much and don't do. I can't say that Ibrahimović is a bad player, cause he isn't. "Ibracadabra" scored a lot of wonderful goals, he played in big clubs and he became country champion multiple times. But... Zlatan is not top 5 of world, he never was but he acts like he is a greatest player ever made.

2. Difference is that real champion don't talk how good he is. Real champion shows it on the field, octagon, trace etc. Confidence is a way of thinking about yourself and arrogance is talking, sometimes only talking. Greatest sportsman's of all time including Michael Jordan, Muhammad Ali or Niki Lauda were the personification of humility.

3. Definitely not. It's good news for his current teammates that Zlatan changes his club every 2-3 years. If Zlatan was a kind of player that can make difference in winning trophy it may be possible for me to work with him. But he isn't so that's why I would not like to work with him.
Unknown said…
Re: 2 - Then you have Conor McGregor, Mike Tyson, Usain Bolt, Christiano Ronaldo, had Ayrton Senna. Not humble at all. There will always be an arrogant sportsman for every modest one.

Also, some quotes:
Michael Jordan - "There is no 'I' in team, but there is in win"
Muhammad Ali - "I'm not the greatest, I'm the double greatest. Not only do I knock 'em out, I pick the round."

That does of course not change the fact that Ibrahimovic is super arrogant, often also acting like a simpleton. I do not envy people having to work with him on a daily basis.
Marcin Mróz said…
There is, indeed, a thin line between stong self-confidence and arrogance. Or maybe at some point it's just the same? When it comes to Zlatan, I would say that he is arrogant, but in a positive way. I belive that he is just self-confident and only pretends to be arrogant to make fun and irritate some people. I don't think that he is that stupid that when asked by interviewer about what will he give his wife for birthday he tells "Nothing, she already has Zlatan" seriously. But apart from that, how could he score such fantastic goals without his self-confidence? I think that this confidence make him one of the best players of all time and really fun person to get along with. Would I like to play with him? Absolutely.
Unknown said…
In my opinion, confident person knows what he's capable of, knows his strengts and weaknesses; confidence is rooted in reality. While arrogant person thinks of himself higher or more valuable than he is, and also more valuable than other people.
Arrogance repels positive people. It breaks down trust and a collaborative environment, because an arrogant person thinks only of himself, he's full of fears and complexes. Whereas confidence attracts positive people, promotes progress.
I can't say whether Zlatan confident or arrogant, because I don't know him personally, don't know what's on his mind. I can only guess.
1.I definitely agree that Zlatan is so arrogant. The main reason why - every person can be spoiled by a huge amount of money. You don't even need to look for examples, you can just choose every 3rd professional footballer and take a look, how much money they are earning per week.
2.There is no border,i think, you must always be a human with a heart. Of course, you do not need to think about other people opinions, but certainly you need to pay attention to the thing how everything can change if you say something not typical others.
3.No way! Everyone can be in this kind of situation and i think, every person will have motivation to do things similar to Zlatan's(work hard and etc.) when you get this amount of money and speaking about his past, yeah, it was so hard,but what is the difference between him and other hard-working person,who is maybe playing better and feeling better the game,but living in village and doesn't have chance to show yourself?
Wojtek Protasik said…
I have an answer to your 2nd question. Just take a look at all the people that achieved much avoiding being cocky and hang up. Partially it's not his fault imo.
Unknown said…
Re2: I realyy don't like the need of modesty - why anyone, who knows that is good, shouldn't talk about it or lie that he's not good at all?
Ok, bragging when you're not good is bad, but why telling the truth is perceived as something bad? Why anyone should hide that they are confident and results are not an accident, but come from hard work?
Unknown said…
Of course, there is a possibility to be arrogant, but we should distinguish arrogance and self confidence.
Unknown said…
I think that perception of Zlatan may be bad, because he is 'specific'. For example quote about present for his wife - I think that this is funny - it was a joke, his wife probably wasn't angry with him, it was a joke and there is nothing more, but people are over analysing.
Wojtek Protasik said…
All I know about Zlatan is from this video and it seems to me like there are many ways you can look at him. It’s also worth mention that the final judgment is greatly affected by his career achievements. Many dumb brutes are excused because of that. Many people get hurt that way.

In my opinion, he is very a troubled man, raised with no family. He clearly believes there is no other way but the elbow way to the top. He doesn’t care about anything else than Zlatan. However, his history is touching, fans probably love it, and he fits into the whole football world, full of glamour and heroes who managed to learn how to properly kick the ball and tie their shoes. Sometimes they don’t even have to do the latter.

I wasn’t surprised that his life is mostly based on competition, who runs faster or shoots harder and obviously his ego. There are lots of people with so much harder and complex problems but he succeeded in making himself believe he is the one who survived and should get the attention. I think it gives him the motivation but I pity those who work with him. Now, confidence is not arrogance and I think there is no line between them, they are not opposites but just different, so I think he’s both arrogant and confident.

I wish him good luck in finding some piece. When it comes to the last question, my post answers it a lot.
Unknown said…
I can say that in my opinion Zlatan is arrogant but a little bit. I think that he is strongly overconfident and it may be perceived as being arrogant. Generally it depends on our approach. I would even say that Zlatan is stepping on this thin border between being confident and arrogant, as I said, he is overconfident and I think that there is this border. If someone is conscious about his own self-esteem he may be confident but he won’t talk about it too much, the arrogant person will. I think that Zlatan is rather aware of his self-esteem but he is some kind of celebrity and he simply talks to much. I wouldn’t like to work with somebody like Zlatan because I don’t like overconfident people, they have tendency to look down on others and I don’t accept this.
I'm not a big fan of football. Ofcourse I heard about this player, but I only recognize him as a good player, never heard about his backstory before. He loks like very confident and obstinate, if you want to overcome your weaknesses and climb up in your field of work, this character traits are the key to do this.
There is a tiny line between arogance and confidence, like with courage and stupidity. Hard to tell where is the border.
If we had the same objective, it would be great to work with him, but as for interpersonal relations/communication I wouldn't want to work with him.
Alicja said…
I have never heard of Zlatan before and judging from his ego, Zlatan wouldn't be too happy about it :)

He sounds arrogant and self-centered. In his self-obsession and delusions of grandeur he can complete with Kanye West who inspired a website "GIVE ME MORE KANYE-FIDENCE".

It must be nightmare to work with a person who has such a big ego.

I would prefer to work with George Best, who was also an exceptionally talented and confident player, but at least he did not take himself too seriously. His confidence was sexy. He was very bright and had a sharp sense of humor; "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
Unknown said…
Michael Jordan - personification of humility XXD
Unknown said…
I'm big fan of Zlatan. This guy is amazing, what he does on the stadium. It's a fact that he is arrogant but I think that his character lets him be one the top and be one of the best footballers in the world. Remember he is 37 years old. In football it is amazing that he is so good at this age. I read that when he finishes career doctors will test him because it's impossible that human body regenerates so fast.
Unknown said…
Sure thing he is arrogant, but in my opinion it is his advantage over his teammates. Being arrogant is not a good thing, but when you play it smart and with some designated goal, you can achieve a lot. Arrogance is a child of being self confident and imo this feature is one of the most crucial features in life. It helps you to reach far for what you want. There we go with a border between confidence and arrogant. I called being arrogant is a child of confidence - I should enhance this to being a really bad and rude child. When someone is self confident with admixture of disrespect and rudeness, we call this person arrogant. Finally, I would like to work with Ibra on pitch, because he is a wonderful player, but I guess we just could not communicate off the pitch. This guy is too stubborn and so am I.
Unknown said…
He’s pretty arrogant, and the only reason anyone puts up with him is because he’s been among the top 10 footballers in the world for quite some time.

Looking at the reporting about the Swedish team in the Euro 2016, it’s ”Zlatan, Zlatan, Zlatan, and… oh, there are actually other team members?” Really annoying coming from Swedish , even though it’s not his fault.
Foodocado said…
It's hard to say if he is arrogant. There is a thin line between arrogance and self-confidence. For sure he overreacted many times, but that makes him unique. He earned everything by his hard work. I think his self-confidence helped in his career. It would be dificult to work with someone like Zlatan. This kind of people often humiliate teamworkers that they could achive more by themself.
Filip Sawicki said…
Even though he may seem arrogant to some people, for me he has quite a good excuse for that. Being a successful footballer not only comes from good/perfect/best skills but also having own brand. What I mean by that is the more you talk about him apart from sports the more recognizable he gets. Besides that, he is one of the best strikers in the world right now so his inappropriate actions are just ignored by football association and clubs.
Yes, in my opinion Zlatan is an arrogant person. I can't understand why people love him that much. Sometimes he's funny and nice but still I think that he's arrogant and disrespectful to others.
The border between arrogance and confidence is called "respect". If you show respect to others you can't be arrogant.
Would I want to work with somebody like Zlatan? I would try to check if I could handle person like this.
Unknown said…
Well, this question has two answers. First of all, such gifted footballer has a right to be specific and arrogant, because he should save his originality, which means his own way of playing football, behaving with coaches, fans etc. On the other hand, I know a couple of great footballers, who are very tolerant and moral on the football pitch like Iker Casillas, Buffon, Kaka etc.
Secondly, it depends on your perception of these meanings. Everyone decides where self-confidence ends and arrogance begins. Perhaps, the things which he loves doing are not arrogant for him. So, in short, it's a personal issue.
Actually, when it comes to making money we are inclined to work in the most difficult terms, so I would work with him as his own manager. No doubt that it's very profitable.
Unknown said…
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Unknown said…
For me difference in arrogance and confidence is that confidence is the feeling inside you. Showing it in exaggerated fashion where you know you will upset people is arrogance.
Such behavior is absolutely not acceptable for me. If you playing in one team you have to support each other not to show that you are better.
Personally I'm not interested in sports that much, but I never liked that guy because of how cocky he in fact is. I mean, compare him to even better players and see how high ego he has compared to ones that are even better than him, yet stay quiet and do their thing - focusing on the game.

So yes, he is arrogant, and I'd not want to do any business with him. But at the same time I can't blame him for that, as it's a common thing with a huge self-confidence to overestimate one's worth - I have similar view myself, but I rather keep it tampered.
Unknown said…
Too much confidence is a path to the arrogance. There is a lot of such examples in history. But if you want to really understand a border between confidence and arrogance, I think it is better to look at the military history and read about those, who was leading armies into battles.

I don't believe in sportsmen and their succes stories. They could be inspirational, but it is too overrated. For me, being good, even being a professional, in sport it is not enough to decide, wheter I want or don't want to work with such person.
Maciej Główka said…
Zlatan is arogant, but that makes him a star. In my opinion he is one of the best football players in a history. Where is the border between confidence and arrogance? In my opinion arrogance is talking about how cool and good you are without showing it. On the other hand confidence is when you know how good you are and you are able to show it.

I admire Zlatan for his hard work, but I don't think I would really like to work with him or someone like him. All in all, such people might be quite hard to live and work with them.
Unknown said…
From my point of view Zlatan's behaviour is arrogant and I wouldn't like to have contact with such person in my job. I know about his talent and we should remember that he is one of the best football players in these days. When I watch some situations with Zlatan and when I hear his talks with other people - it is funny for me and it is also funny for other people who track his career but his behavior doesn't concern us at all. In my opinion most of us wouldn't like him if we have contact with such ignorant and too confident person like Zlatan.
Unknown said…
Once i saw video about him, showing that he can be nice and caring, claming that he is not just arrogant boy but he strongly reminds me Mario Balotelli and Zizu's headbutt :)
You can work hard, be the best and be "normal".
Unknown said…
As Marcin Mróz said, maybe his self-confidence causes so much arrogance, though this fact doesn't make it easier to talk with such people. Friends with high arrogance and self-esteem are often the most unreliable ones.
Jakub Lisicki said…
I think that Zlatan is indeed pretty arrogant. There are a lot of reasons behind it though - he is rich, he's a great player. It's safe to say that most of the people in this world know his name and what he does for his living. He somehow managed to make his dream come true.

I think that the main difference between arrogance and confidence is that arrogant people are not always so sure about their skills, they just act like that because otherwise people may stop treating them seriously. Confident people don't always feel the need to show off what their capable of, instead they may teach other people how to be better at what they do. Arrogant people on the other hand are too self-centered, they probably wouldn't be as good as co-workers, teachers, etc. They just can't admit it when they do something wrong or that someone could've done something better than they did.

I wouldn't like to work with him since he's not really a team player. I like people that I can rely on and he doesn't seem to be of that type.
1. Of course he is arrogant. He is great player but not the best how he claims and he claims it every moment he can. Sure, he might be doing it just for fame becouse it sells... Who would talk about players like him that are good and scored couple incredible goals but cant play with their team mates.

2. Confidence does not mean you can underestimate your opponent and nobody can criticize you. Zlatan cannot be criticized becouse he is perfect and if he looses it is becouse his team wasnt passing to him enough.

3. Who would? See how many clubs he have played for. He is arrogant but also disloyal. That is also a huge problem.
If you asked me who's the football player you hate the most, i would definitely answer you "Zlatan Ibrahimovic". I think he is one of the most arrogant and aggressive footballer at the moment. I watched many matches with Zlatan who prvoked other players, was agrressive to them or just acted like an idiot. However, I have to admit that he has potential and skill.
1. I don't know him personally so how would I know? What he presents to public might be just a show that he chose to partake in.

2.The border between confidence and arrogance probably lies just where the person, who is defining it, believes it lies.

3.No, thanks.
Difference between arrogance and confidence is knowing and accepting that there might be or is someone else better than us in what we do out there in the world. As long as we re not omnipotent entities which can observe whole world at once we do not know if we are the best. As for if i would like to work with someone as Zlatan probably yes : People do take on personas when they are on camera or even at work u are never sure what pearson is like until you get to know them personally and even that is subjective.
The difference between confidence and arrogance is security. When you are confident you believe that you are good at what you do, when it comes to arrogance you are insecure about yourself and you are trying to hide it by saying that you are the best. I think that Zlatan is very arrogant but on the other hand arrogance is one of the factors in success. It can help us get through tougher times but we should be careful not to let it get to our heads.
1 I really don't care about soccer, and I try to stay away from this whole media celebrity worship thing, so I have no idea who that is.

2 I think the difference between confidence and arrogance is in how you treat other people. It's good to have your own opinion on the matter, it's only when you convince yourself that your opinion is much more important than those of other people, when we start to have a problem.

3 Look at answer to 1
Vladlen Kyselov said…
1) I don`t know who this person is but to my mind if person grows up in difficult conditions of living than there eis a little chance of becoming arrogant.

2)I think that difference is only how you treat others.

3)I don`t how he reached success so I cant realy answer this question.
Unknown said…
For me huge success is something that can seriously change perspective of a person on the world - especially if they're from a poor background. Maybe he is arrogant but who are we to judge him for what he is? Part of being confident is believing in your strengths. If he really is a great football player why would he hide it?
Unknown said…
Some people are grown to be stars, even though they had complicated childhood. But they can change and be like others. But some don't want to change and even though they character is admired. In my opinion border beetwen confidence and arrogance is when someone's behavior is not tolerated by others.
1. For me it's hard to judge if he is arrogant. I don't know him personally, however, his teammates think he is. Probably, there is a grain of truth. For sure he is self-confident, what is a huge benefit for himself as a professional football player. 'The best football players' have not only the best skills but also interesting and strong personalities, because this brings the profits to the team.
2. Generally speaking, there is a really small border between confidence and arrogance. In my opinion, a confident person is a person who believes in himself (or herself) and doesn't think too much about what others think, while an arrogant person thinks he is the best and the others are worst. In case of sportsmans, it's harder to determine if a player is arrogant, because all of them are very confident. In my view, they are professionals and respect each other, although we can find some examples, which doesn't belong to this group.
3. Probably he is hard to cooperate, however i think i would like to work with him. For sure he is professional. I guess that in case of football players, his behaviour is rather normal. It may be possible, than in other fields he will not be so confident.
Unknown said…
1) I don`t know who this person is and i don't care. In my opinion nothing excuses being arrogant.

2)Difference is mostly in how arrogant people treat others and how they react if someone prooves to be better than they.

3)I don`t how he reached success so I cant realy answer this question.
Finally something about football! To sum up your questions:
1. Do you think Zlatan is arrogant?
Yes he is ! I remember in one of his interviews there was a question asked - "Do you think you would score if you would shoot with your better leg?" - and fast answer given - "Zlatan doesn't have a better leg - they are both perfect" - nailed it all the way.

2. Where is the border between confidence and arrogance?
I think the more quality and confidence you have the more arrogance will be forgiven. There is a very thin line between arrogance and confidence... but reality verifies everything. In case of Zlatan it is a second option.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnyesSJ7WdA
to sum up :)

3. Would you like to work with somebody like Zlatan Ibrahimović?
Many people I work with are just like that. If it comes to specialist of some level it is just included in price. When they say something can be done it the way they say (when about 20 people in the room says otherwise) you are not treating this as an arrogant answer but that they are just very aware of their capabilities. I love this kind of people - not afraid of doing anything and thinking out of the box.
Unknown said…
I think that he is arrogant. I understand taht he have difficult ripening environment but i think that he don't respect people and for me it's something what everyone deserves. And that's for me this border. If u can respect others freedom and personality and you are aware of your advantages everything is okay. Otherwise you should work on yourself.
I don't want to work with him. I'm a person who like interesting person with strange personality traits but when i feel that someone try to attack me in this mental way (This seems to be Zaltan) this makes me feel like I'm tired of spending time with person like him.




Unknown said…
1. Zlatan Ibrahimović is undoubtedly a very self-confident football player and man. But is he actually arrogant ? Let’s take a step back from his current career and investigate his background. As we can hear from the interview posted, Zlatan was born in Sweden in an immigrant family to parents coming from Bosnia and Croatia. He grew up in immigrants’ district called Rosengard which was described by one of the journalists as a “wrong part of the town”. He had to be a tough guy and work very hard in order to succeed. One of his teammate mentioned that he has always had sharp elbows and very strong personality. Obviously, these are the character traits which you would expect from a top-class football striker. From the other hand, when you are watching interviews with him, it is easy to spot that he is so focused on himself that you get the impression that he is the only member of any team he is playing for. He rarely mentions his teammates (e.g.: “the whole team did a really great job in that match”) and keeps saying about himself e.g.: “I scored 2 goals in that match” or “not everybody is Ibra”. Taking above into consideration and after watching the interview I can say that he is in fact arrogant and quite selfish player, however, we don’t really know if he behaves the same way in his private life.

2. In my opinion, border between being self-confident and arrogant is thin but quite clear. You can be a very self-confident person, so you know your strengths and you know how to use them, but also you are able to play in a team, appreciate other’s skills and collaborate with them. Self-confident people also can admit when they are wrong and know their weaknesses. This is not the case of arrogant people which are self-centered and they rarely admit that other people also can be good at something ( see Ibra’s statement: “not everybody is Ibra”). Arrogant people often don’t see their weaknesses and do not concede that the did something wrong.

3. It would be hard for me to work with someone like Zlatan as this type of people are often stubborn and do not really want to collaborate with others. Another issue is that they are very demanding about the quality of skills of people they cooperate with, which seems to be a good thing at first sight , but in general is quite inefficient in teams consisting of members with different levels of skills.
Wojtek Kania said…
I think Zlatan is very arrogant, but most of his team colleagues likes him. Zlatan always require professional behaviour of his mates. Also he played in top clubs. So I think Zlatan is a positive person.
Unknown said…
I wouldn't say that he is arrogant. He is very self confident, he knows his own value, he is still trying to be the best and to achieve as much as he can, but at the same time he is not underestimating his rivals or teammates.
Working with somebody like Zlatan could be a good motivation for work.
Wojtek Kania said…
I very like your comment. Maybe you are not a football fan. But for me the main measure for the footballer is how he works on the pitch. He might be cocky, he might eat hamburgers, but when he score 3 goals every game he is a hero. Zlatan is very arrogant. But also he scored many goals and he always was a main player in any club. Thanks for your comment!
Wojtek Kania said…
I think that Zlatan show to us that everyone might be arrogant if you are best in your field. This is what I wanted to convey to you. Thanks for your comment!
Unknown said…
As for me, all the football players are arrogant, because becoming famous as a player... Really? the real sports are included into an Olympic games. I newer would like to work with this kind of people.
Unknown said…
It seems he is quite arrogant, but it’s hard to judge that only from one video.
While it would probably not be easy to work with someone like him, if he was good at the job and knew what he was doing then why not?
Unknown said…
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Unknown said…
Yes, Ibra is a arrogant guy but I think just a little bit. His behaviour comes from his high self-confidence. Nowadays he is one of the best strikers with no doubt. Confidence is a very important for him on the pitch. Just look at Fernando Torres before (Liverpool) and after (Chelsea) his knee injury.
This is not the same player. It seems that Zlatan's self-confidence can not be broken. Borden between arrogance and confidence is a very tiny and I think Ibra is on it. In my opinion he is the perfect leader for his teammates. I would like to be in his team.
Zygmunt Z said…
I totally agree that Zlatan is arrogant but I know also that he achieved everything thanks to his passion to football, dedication and perseverance. I am not interested much in football but I always liked him. I can gulp the fact that he is arrogant, but when it comes to playing football he is always able to create a huge show. I think that he is that kind of person that might annoy you for 6 days but on the 7th day he will totally impress you and you will be blown away. I have been working with that kind of people and I can say that it might be difficult but overall the final goal was always achieved.
Unknown said…
I haven't aimed to learn more about his personality, but he seems to be a guy with a good PR-manager. Maybe for someone he is a hero, but for me he is a clown. Sorry, boys. But I am for fairplay. The soccer is turning into cheap show, and people like Zlatan are responsible for that. I don't want to work with him, it would be a shame for me to deal in some way with such a person. Maybe he is a nice player, but if we discuss his personality, he is not worthy.
Unknown said…
Well its Zlatan he has his own behavoiur and it makes him fameous because of that. without it he probably be custom football player with a lot of money of contract but now he is recognizable on whole world. I dont like part of his behaviour like kicking his teammate or looking down on everyone. he is very good football player but i dont want to have him in my team.
Unknown said…
Do you think Zlatan is arrogant?
It is hard to tell, in fact I don’t know him personally, and I only can assume that he is arrogant from given material. But media can shape the opinion.
Where is the border between confidence and arrogance?
In my opinion there is no sharp border, but when someone is self-confident and has good manners, there is no reason for calling that arrogance. But when someone steal a bike, what is definitely not a good manner, that could be called arrogance.
Would you like to work with somebody like Zlatan Ibrahimović?
Maybe, but not for a long time, methinks.
Unknown said…
Oh Zlatan. I don't know really. Another success-focused football player, doesn't sound like a team player does he? I'll pass.

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