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Week 5 [23.04-29.04.2018] - A civilization worth saving


There are certainly a few people who are not familiar with the fact that human population is ever-developing these days. Give it in scientific fields like medicine, engineering or even computer science.  Same goes to the increasing number of people existing now, which is a result of economic and environmental conditions we encounter at present times. Therefore, when we look at statistics of human population we can clearly see that now, in times of relative peace and prosperity, we have reached a number far higher than ever. Like said before, such an achievement would not be possible without the strong economics and natural resources. Undoubtedly a success one would say. Yet, some other ask ‘but how strong are these in fact?’.

Thomas Cole "The Course of Empire: The Consummation of Empire"

Paul Gilding, a writer and an expert in sustainability, gave a pretty core chilling speech about our exploitation of Earth. According to his lecture, the current global economic would need roughly 50% more of Earth itself to be sustained. Rather upsetting news. However, where lies the reason and the answer to that situation we face?
The explanation of diminishing natural resources seems simple – we are overly exploiting it. Paul Gilding, however, points out that the problem lies deeper in people mind-sets. Not only we tend to waste goods but we also ignore and, as if purposely, deny taking responsibility for our actions. In the end, natural resources go to waste, bringing closer times of shortage and no prevention measures take place.
What is more, we do not consider slowing down but in fact push unsustainable global economy even further. Why is that? Most likely the answer is the fear of unknown, our liking for the current, expensive and pleasant lifestyle or simply ignorance. Perhaps a little bit of all. After all, it is very understandable people want to maintain good, satisfactory living ways and turning it all into unknown reality seems not worth a risk.
But if nothing is done, what will the future bring?

Thomas Cole: "The Course of Empire: Destruction"



According to many studies – a global crisis far exceeding any other. The prediction of when it happens are also not comforting – within 21st century. Collapse of the global market, shortage of food and water, complete power cut as well as absolute loss of oil and coal are consequences we will face. It does not stop there, however, since even war is probable.
Such grim prognosis should cut us down to size and motivate in preparing a prevention plan. And yet, it does not. At least not as successfully since a great number of companies, governments and entrepreneurs still do not take into consideration the actual status of natural resources.
Why it is so? To answer that one would have to again take a look at human’s reasoning and the global denial of any economic problem we are facing.

Thomas Cole: "The Course of Empire: Desolation"

However, I believe that by emphasising the importance of the topic that Paul Gilding explained in his speech, we will increase the awareness among regular citizens. Constant stressing of the horrible consequences that we will eventually encounter would hopefully create a need to change for better and compel governments to develop new methods and ways to utilize natural resources in a more clever way. As the writer stated, the fear of collapsing civilizations should bring us together and motivate to change things. We finally need to realize that the fate of our civilizations lies utterly in our hands. After all, it is worth saving.

Questions:
  1. Would it be difficult for you to give up on some aspects of current pleasant lifestyle if it could save our civilisation from global crisis?
  2. Do you consider running out of some natural resources in the near future to be a fact?
  3. Is it not too late for our civilisation to be saved? Should we just stop caring about the future?

Comments

Jakub Nietupski said…
Every big change starts from the change of the individual. Therefore it is important to build up awareness about the impact that you have on your environment and other people and try to improve it as much as you can.
Running out of natural resources is certainly a threat so we should focus on improving our means of using renewable resources like water and air, and technology like electric cars.
The moment we stop caring about the future we are definitely doomed ;) so for now we should just focus on trying to learn about the ways we can improve our society.
Unknown said…
Well, the answer to the first question is straightforward - it depends. If in order to save the world I need to stop eating food then I don't think this will be a great solution.
Of course, running out of natural resources is possible. Many scientists all around the world are working on this problem and trying to find a solution. In my opinion, the problem lies in the fact that some countries use more natural resources than others. This creates situations where in some parts of the world there is a shortage of some kind of natural resource while in another part there is no such problem because population simply don't need to use it in such big amounts. If we only could somehow normalize usage of natural reserves we could at least partially solve the problem.
We do need to care about our future. As it was once said: "We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children." If we stop carrying about the future of our civilization, future generations will have hard times while dealing with consequences of our past mistakes.
Lukasz Mroczek said…
I try to lead not too much pleasant and comfortable lifestyle. I rather like to draw happiness from what I’ve achieved or what I have. That’s why it wouldn’t be difficult to give up some aspects of actual life to save civilization and world. There seems to be other question, whether it is worth it? To be honest I think that earth is moving fast to run out of natural resources and it will turn out to be a huge problem and will affect everyone. In my opinion, there is never too late for any activities leading to saving something.
Jakub Lisicki said…
Almost every great mane known to us from the history seems to think of it in the same way - the change starts in the hearts of the individuals. Unfortunately, it's not that easy to change anything in the reality. Without any actions, there would be no impact on the way we live and treat the environment. It's always easy to give up and think that someone else would finally stand against the crowd. Here's some news for people who count on it - currently, the issue is not that serious, so no one cares enough to do it. We obviously try to resolve this problem of running out of natural resources. I think that the process is not fast enough, though.
Jakub Lisicki said…
It's not really about giving up on any food. I think that we should focus more on how the food is being made, how it is transported, packaged, etc. We generate tons and tons of waste every single day. We can easily find another solutions to food packaging, but it costs real money. None of the largest companies in this world are willing to pay great prices for something that is not necessary. It won't be until we show them that we really care about it.
I think that the main issue with the usage of resources is not caring at all about how they are used. We use electric energy all of the time, it doesn't come out without any cost behind it.
That quotation that you've mentioned gave me some real creeps. We should really care more about the planet that we leave behind for the future generations. We won't be there forever, but hopefully, our planet will.
Jakub Lisicki said…
"Is it worth it?" I think that this questions could be one of the largest issues of todays' society. We don't think it's worth it if only our lifestyle will change. None of the changes would happen if no one would try to make the change, be the first one to oppose the idea that is wrong.
Anna Koca said…
I guess that, being a pawn in the game of big fellows - corporations, governments, and others you mentioned- I liberate myself from guilt, justifying that my impact on the environment, as an individual, is relatively small. However, the crowd psychology comes in: if such was the thinking of every individual that together makes up a society - the impact becomes substantial.
I guess it would be hard for me to give up on commodities, but up to a point, where it would be necessary.
Of course I consider running out of fossil fuels to be a fact. We are using up resources at an astounding rate and we can only hope that our alternative-powers-race will be up and running on the day when we find ourselves completely out of resources.
I don't think it is too late to save the civilization if we started now, but the problem is we won't. It will still take several more years before people start really caring about environment on a global scale.
I would not give up the goods offered by our civilization. I reckon that the need is the mother of the invention. Natural resources of the Earth will surely run out one day, so you should invest more in research on energy acquisition in other ways. There are more and more ideas how to acquire and save energy. I believe that at some point a technological breakthrough will take place in this field of energy, and humanity will not be doomed to death by the reckless use of the gifts of the Earth.
Unknown said…
Probably yes. It depends what it would be. I think that everyone would be wrong if he had to give up his pleasures. But if it had a chance to save us from the crisis, why not?

I don't know about natural resources. I know that some are renewable and some are not. I think that non-renewable resources will eventually end, but I don't know what this means for us. Probably technology will develop so that we will replace resources with others.

It isn't too late, as long as we live, there is always hope, but it is not too much of a topic that interests me and it is hard to say how it really is.
Andrzej Gulak said…
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Answer to the first question is "it depends". Generally speaking I would say that it’s not hard to give up doing something(except breathing). Everything depends on motivation and if your motivation is to save planet than most probably you will succeed.

Frankly speaking running out of SOME natural resources is not the big deal at all because some of them could be easily replaced. I consider that humanity will always find a solution how to live with or without some natural resources.

It’s not too late for our civilization to be saved but we have already waste a lot of time and we should take this fact into consideration.
Unknown said…
I strongly believe that stating 'avoiding global crisis' as a goal doesn't really push anyone to change anything. Starting with smaller goals, however, by splitting raising the awareness into more specific campaigns would be a way to go.

Yes, I do believe that. Also it's worth mentioning the demand for freshwater is soon expected to exceed the supply. By soon meaning
'The Food and Agriculture Organisation of the United Nations is predicting that by 2025, 1.8 billion people will be living in countries or regions with absolute water scarcity.'

Taking into consideration the industry we already have and demands it creates every day I think it's not possible to peacefully stop the process and save natural resources. I also don't think we need to. Maybe draining the planet and going into space is the right step to do or maybe we will find a way to be sustainable by using renewables or maybe we will actually face some kind of global breakdown.
Vladlen Kyselov said…
I think that something global has to be done to make all changes for saving our civilization be weighty. Still I guess it is impossible without initiatives of a large group of people or some external source. All those questions are debating. It is really hard to give answer for them without certain ideas, thoughts what we should do and how we can realize it.
Illia Shynder said…
This is the question that was disturbing and harass me for a long time. I guess I would try to give up on something, but I'm not sure that after few days or weeks without some very comfortable thing i wouldn't beg to get it back). But considering that human can survive in almost any condition, I guess giving up on some things is possible.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we will run out of oil, gas or some metal soon. People tend to not care about future that much. Only if this future can give them some profit. But i believe that it's not too late to save civilization and humanity. Just we should really take a look at what we are doing and what is going to happen then, and start make right decisions and find solutions for problems, that are sure to happen in the closest future.
I thing that good example of recourse that will running out soon is fuel. We need to use resources that can be recovered. At this time Elon Musk make good thing when build power plants and install solar panels (Solar City) on private houses. We must cover as much as we can houses because from this thing depends our future.
Unknown said…
1. It all depends on what it is and whether everyone has to give it up. I think, however, that I could give up everything in terms of the fate of the world; after all, we are talking about a world where future generations will grow up.
2. I do not necessarily know much about this. I think, however, that there is a possibility that certain raw materials will end up in the end. I hope that there are organisations that control this.
3.As I wrote above, we must take care of the Earth for future generations. It is never too late, so we should not give up.
Filip Sawicki said…
Sure it would but like everyone I’d have to adapt to changes in our world of crisis. However I’m a technological optimist and believe that in the near future recycling and optimization of resource usage will be economically profitable thus saving us from the disaster. In World War 2 Germany had huge oil and rubber shortages and couldn’t import them from other countries due to embargo, that sparked an innovation of coal liquefaction. Similarly each nation adopted efficient steel recycling process in order to keep supply lines going. Therefore, need goes hand in hand with innovation, this comes from widely known law of demand and supply. I think that we should focus more on resource optimization, because one leading in these technologies will become a dominant power during times of crisis.
Jakub Lisicki said…
Unfortunately, solar panels solutions is not good enough to replace the current energy sources. It's good to utilize it to some degree, but I can't really see it as any major energy source for the future.
Jakub Lisicki said…
When would the society realize that we shouldn't wait for the need of it caused by the shortages? We are the people who usually wait until it's too late. Some might argue that it's no longer true, but let's just observe how the world reacts to the greenhouse effect and the risks which come along with it. Some nations seem to still doubt that it's actually the real problem and not just another way to get the money out of our pockets by funding the numerous campaigns which try to warn the world about the consequences.
Unknown said…
It's mostly problem of trust. If most of the countries will slow down there progress to consume less resources but other don't this will put them into disadvantage on world arena and they will be less competitive and for example in 100 years when there own resources will end they will be 10-20 year ahead in development and could if not directly by way but rather economically push other countries to comply
Unknown said…
1. No it wouldn’t but only to a degree. Comfort is important for me at work for example. I wouldn’t be able to work without air-conditioning in hot summer.
2. Fossils are deplorable. That’s a fact indeed but I’m not worried too much about it. Thanks to technological advancement some of the future problems will be mitigated. And once there’s some material that cannot be extracted by normal means anymore. There will be economical insensitive to develop alternative. Humanity has shown that it can adapt to the changing circumstances and there’s no need to worry to much ahead of time. Of course, that’s not to say that we shouldn’t care for the future. If for example, we could lower the birthrates of some overpopulated countries we should try.
3. There’s a lot of things beyond our individual control. Being conscious of the problems you mentioned is important but doesn’t solve the problem of humans dealing with it in this complicated structure of human society that is in state of barely controllable chaos.
It depends what would it be. For example it would be hard to gave up of electricity, fuel, modern food. Ofcourse if mine choice could save humanity I would defninately gave up of some aspects, why not. Yes I think our global resources of oil are running out. As well as fresh water could be an issue in near future. Nowadays industries are cuting out forests, polluting our envoirment I belive clean air would be a valuable resource in far future. I think it is not too late I belive that visioners like Elon Musk would help our civilisation to survive.
Jakub Lisicki said…
Okay, it may have come influence on the current prices, but I think that no matter how close are we to run out of the resources, we shouldn't just wait and do nothing. It's too easy to give up, when there is still so much to do to save the future. That's what we seem to both agree with. It's not only about saving the planet for us, but also for future generations.
Unknown said…
My opinion about our way of life and the resources used is this: the way of life does not change for the worse, it can only improve, our needs also do not decrease, we will never again get fire by rubbing and walk miles to exchange prey. "The geniuses of my time" have always existed, so I think that when the oil ends, for example, an intelligent person will find a solution to the problem, but will not give up comforts, for example - a machine, so in our era, electric machines are developing. It's never too late to start taking care of planet Earth, everyone sooner or later starts to do it.
Peter Clemenza said…
Thats a dark lunacy of marxist and leninist who want a achieve a specific goal - zero growth. They will try to convince you that everything you do will harm natural environment and you should start to live like a bump. We should follow
a different rules.
Unknown said…
So far, in my opinion, I did my best to live my life like I'd like to and carry about our planet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some green peace weirdo fan - I've just simple take care of my stuff like garbage for exaple, everybody can do that. But if I have to give up driving my own car in order to decrease pollution, I don't think I could do that. It's a good thing that people are awake nowadays - we know the danger and consequences of our action, we're developing renewable energy for quiet a long time, we're making new laws and limits to decrease pollution comming from small things - In my opinion we're doing pretty fine, but is that enough? I don't know, time will tell if our action could really save the planet.
But answering to Your question - I think that natural resources are running out too fast. Lack of them will be a huuuuge problem. It'll affect everyone. In my opinion, it's never too late for any activities leading to saving at least our closest enviroment - We have to bring awerness to people that simply don' care - that should be our main plan.
Yes i would but i would also like to have a choice. The biggest thing we can have in case of doom is a choice so if i were to be given no choice, even if reasonable, i would still probably reject the change.
Do you consider running out of some natural resources in the near future to be a fact?
Im not sure, there is a reason why global thinkers and visionaries think and work on renewable sources of energy. But if by near future you mean like 30 years or even my(our) lifetime i dont think running out of any important resources is a thing. We will run out of oil and coal but not in our lifetime.
We should not stop caring about the "future" but also we should recognise that given countries different development stages it would be hard to enforce any kind of global regulations. remember no technology is free, and no regulations are altruistic our governments and companies will always think of the profit first.
Maciej Nowak said…
Difficulty depends on what i would have to give up in order to save our civilisation from global crisis. However, i think there isn't much choice, as living without caring about our world that would lead to a global crisis isn't worth it. Sooner or later we will run out of some natural resources that are extremely important in current lifestyle, but i believe that by that time there will be some new alternatives and the change won't be so harsh. I t is not too late to save our civilisation and the sooner we start, the easier it will be.
Iman Masjedi said…
I think that we’ll never run out of natural resources , we’ll always use what elements of the natural environment that are useful to us and we can exploit. These elements change and grow as innovations in institutions and technologies change and grow. Each year, the “world economic product”, the sum of the net national products of all the world’s economies, grows larger.While renewable natural resources, such as forests, fisheries, soil fertility, fresh water, and air quality, have the ability to recover IF given enough time, the limitations of key non-renewable resources, e.g. petroleum, metals, rare earths, provide the greatest risks to our modern society as we know it. While reduced use and recycling can prolong the availability of most of these resources, eventually they will indeed run out in an economic sense or be extinguished. my hope is that science and technology can provide alternatives (preferably renewable alternatives) before that happens. Otherwise, yes our material quality of life and current lifestyles will decline — as has happened at different times in the past, e.g. for 600 years after the fall of the Roman Empire.
Patryk Górski said…
Yes. It's hard to think about changing your whole lifestyle, especially when it is comfortable for you.

Yes. It's a natural fact, that everything is limited.

I don't know. Maybe we should consider doing some things to prevent disaster.
Unknown said…
I believe I do, but I'm almost 100 percent sure that as a society we don't. People don't care about the environment, government, law and other essential aspects of their life before they need to or have some business to it.
I think we will run out of some natural resources shortly ~ 5-10 years, but I'm not afraid of it because we will or even already found replacements. The world we know might change like we can change from gas oil to water or another power source so the vehicles on the streets might change their look.
I'm an optimist. There is always a way. We need to find it. We should care about future, but don't stop the growth.
Unknown said…
Would it be difficult for you to give up on some aspects of current pleasant lifestyle if it could save our civilisation from global crisis?
I am not familiar with the global crisis - I mean I don't see or feel it on a regular basis. However, I am confident that I would give up on some aspects of my current pleasant lifestyle if I helped our planet and civilisation.

Do you consider running out of some natural resources in the near future to be a fact?
I need to disagree with that. Sure, there may be a lot of natural resources in the Earth that are about to vanish pretty soon, but with our technology we are able to recreate them (or at least most of them) scientifically.

Is it not too late for our civilisation to be saved? Should we just stop caring about the future?
We, as humans, should never stop caring about the future. In my opinion, it is our biological responsibility to develop and spread our kind across the Universe. Is it not too late for our civilisation to be saved? Yes, it is not too late, because we are smart and developed enough to continue our existence no matter what.

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