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Week 3 [17.10-23.10.2016] Why haven’t we detected any other intelligent civilizations yet?

Our galaxy, The Milky Way, contains roughly between 200 and 400 billion stars. Most of those stars are very dim red and brown dwarfs that cannot be seen even through the largest telescopes but we can predict their existence in different ways. The lower end estimates for total number of planets in our galaxy are around 100 billion. It’s very probable that it is larger than that.
The Drake equation was written by Dr. Frank Drake in 1961. It’s used to estimate the number of alien civilizations that could exist in our galaxy at any given time, which would be advanced enough to communicate with us (or at least be detected by us receiving their radio signals). The equation states as follows:

Where V is the result number of civilizations to be expected. R is the rate of star formation within the galaxy; fp is a fraction of formed stars that have planets; ne is an average number of potentially habitable (depending on size, chemical composition and temperature) planets per star; fl is a fraction of those planets that developed life on their surface; fi is a fraction of planets with life on which it has evolved to the point of intelligence and creating civilization; fc is a fraction of those civilizations that developed technology allowing to send signals into space and L is average time for which those civilizations exist (send signals).
                It’s very hard to estimate the parameters for the equation as there’s no way for us to just check them. If we take lower estimates for number of stars with planets in our galaxy and assume that there is 20% chance for a habitable planet orbiting any star; 13% chance for a habitable planet developing life, 50% chance for that life becoming intelligent over the whole time of its existence; 20% chance of them developing signal sending technology and sending the signal for the average time of 100 thousand years we get that there should be 780 civilizations sending signals into space right now in our galaxy alone. With the diameter of our galaxy being roughly 100 thousand light-years, we should be able to already detect signals from most of them as all electromagnetic waves travel through empty space at the speed of light.
                Yet we haven’t detected any signals from any intelligent life so far. The huge disproportion between the number of signals expected based on the Drake equation (example value of 780 for our galaxy) and real number of signals received (zero) is called Fermi’s paradox. The paradox was presented by Fermi actually long before the creation of Drake’s equation and is not limited to the Milky Way alone. If we consider the entire observable universe, the expected number of civilizations is many orders of magnitude higher (tens of billions).
                All of the above estimates don’t account for advanced civilizations building spaceships and travelling through the galaxy colonizing different planets. Had advanced civilizations died out,  they would probably have left some detectable artifacts, remnants of their technology sending some kinds of signals.
Maybe the probability of life development is much smaller than we think? Or civilizations destroy themselves much faster than we hope?

                 

Comments

In my opinion there is definitely another life in the space, but it's simply so big that there is negligible chance of meeting with one. I also wouldn't be so sure that every potential life has to be actually as smart as we do, perhaps there is smarter civilization, but I'm pretty sure that even if there exists one, it's not as much technologically advaned as we do.

But who knows what future will bring...
Unknown said…
The thing here is that even with that vast space it is quite easy to communicate. Distances and travel time are huge compared to human life lenght and even humanity existence period, but they are still tiny compared to how much time has passed. Our early radio and video broadcasts could be received in many star systems by now.
Unknown said…
To my mind diffrent cilivization exist but it's strange that we don't get any signals or we get it but scientist don't tell us. In my opnion the fact that life started on Earth is a miracle because we have optinmal temperature, have water and Jupiter which is a huge magnet which protects us. Probability that ther is another galaxy with similar conditions is small but the universe is very big and this is not impossible.
Unknown said…
To my mind diffrent cilivization exist but it's strange that we don't get any signals or we get it but scientist don't tell us. In my opnion the fact that life started on Earth is a miracle because we have optinmal temperature, have water and Jupiter which is a huge magnet which protects us. Probability that ther is another galaxy with similar conditions is small but the universe is very big and this is not impossible.
Unknown said…
I agree with Jacek, I think the Earth is the only planet in the Milky Way (for now, because it is changing all the time) where the life exists. However, there is a lot of galaxies and stars or planets in the universe we have no idea about. We don't even know it exist, so how can we predict if there is a life on it? Probably there is some other planet, which has perfect conditions for life, just like Earth. The thing is that we are not that much technically advanced yet to explore all the universe, every galaxy, and check whether there is a civilization somewhere there or we are alone here. Nothing is impossible.
You've choosed a great topic to talk about. I'm totally into space related things. People used to think about aliens in two ways: they exist or they not. In my humble opinion this is wrong way to think about space and possible forms of life. If we compare age of our civilization to age of space, we mean nothing. There are a lot of cases what if aliens exist and what if not. If you are interested please read this: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradoks_Fermiego.

It blew my mind completely. It opened my eyes, because I never thought about aliens this way before.
Unknown said…
The paradox seems very interesting, especially the key points which had been presented:

1. There are billions of stars in the galaxy that are similar to the Sun, many of which are billions of years older than Earth,
2. With high probability, some of these stars will have Earth-like planets, and if the Earth is typical, some might develop intelligent life.
3. Some of these civilizations might develop interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
4. Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in about a million years.

According to this line of thinking, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens.
Maybe they choosed a wrong time to pay a visit :)
Unknown said…
It's hard to argue with estimates, and Dr. Frank Drake, but 50% chance for life to become intelligent is seems far too large. In fact, all of the mentioned estimates do.

Fermi has asked why, if there are many other life forms on planets in Milky Way, haven't we received any signal from them. The answer is simple: there aren't many. Life on Earth might have been the winning lottery ticket in the galaxy, something that happened due to incredibly good set of circumstances. So good that it did not happen anywhere in our entire galaxy. Remember, we are looking for a planet not only with developed life, not only with it being intelligent, creating civilisations - but also we are assuming that it tried to communicate with us quite recently, when we were in any way ready to receive such signals, hasn't gone extinct yet, and many other factors. In this way Fermi's Paradox is not really a paradox - there just aren't that many other inhabited planets, potentially none in Milky Way.
Unknown said…
I don't know what to think about it... From what I know, it doesn't exist life on other planets but I think that people will create living beings who are able to live on other planets
Unknown said…
I don't know what to think about it... From what I know, it doesn't exist life on other planets but I think that people will create living beings who are able to live on other planets
I like to think about any problems more broadly and I came to some other conclusions on this matter.
My point is that maybe there actually is life on other planets, but why do we assume they would like to contact us?
Perhaps they don't want to be discovered at all. It is very likely that they are much more intelligent than humans and developed technology that allows them to be hidden from the dangers of the outside world. At the same time they can observe life on Earth, big problems our planet face and so on. It may be true that, from their perspective, there is nothing interesting on Earth, so it is not worth to conquer us.
I know all this looks like a sci-fi movie scenario and seems to be unreal but... you can say that only from human point of view though.
Maciej Główka said…
Personally I didn't know, that there are mathematic formulas describing number of possible alien civilisation. For me, it is very interesting, as well as Fermi paradox.

I'm sure that there is another life in space, it is too big to not have other civilisations. Why haven't we already communicated with them? Maybe they don't want to or maybe we have technology, which is not yet capable of doing this.
Dajana Kubica said…
So I think that perhaps the time has an impact on whether we will meet new life from another planet. Maybe there was a different "Earth" but just now her time has come to an end and life on it ceased to exist. Our planet death also will meet in a few million years. However, we must remember that the universe is infinitely large. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. I think if Earthlings have to meet a different civilization, it will be a complete coincidence :). I also believe that our technology is not very developed, to look for aliens. I do not know if I'd like to meet creatures from other planets. Maybe it's not worth looking for them. But recently I read an article where NASA speaks about life on Mars. If we do not manage to create the appropriate conditions for life on Mars, our last option is to modify the genes of man so that he could breathe carbon dioxide and was more resistant to radiation. Then the saying that men are from Mars will not only be analogy :)
Unknown said…
@pawelsienkiewicz If you read my article you would know that I write about Fermi Paradox in it.
Unknown said…
What you are writting about is called Rare Earth Hypothesis. It's not a miracle that we live in that perfect place because of anthropic principle.

Not matter how low probability, if you try something enough times it will succed and we have very, very large amount of stars and planets in our galaxy.
Unknown said…
@DamianKarpinski You get my point exactly. My own theory is that there was really large amount of civilizations in our galaxy that had gone extinct because they either destroyed themselves with powerfull weapons, destroyed their enviroment or they never did overcome economicall issues to leave their planet and colonize the galaxy.
Unknown said…
Even if they became so much more advanced than us they most probably had to go through more primitive stages of development, like we do now. With universal laws of physics it's not unsafe to assume they would have used (even if only in the past) radio waves that we could dettect.
Unknown said…
I have seen a lot of movies and TV series about other civilizations and many explanations why we haven't met them before.
One of the most common cause is that our technology isn't developed enough. That they are much more intelligent than people, so they don't want to live with them. In some of the movies "aliens" (people/creatures from other civilizations) consider themselves as superior, so they don't want to waste their time, and in other they are caring towards people and are afraid what could happend if people met them.
Personally I am skeptical if it is about aliens or other civilizations, but I'm ready to change my mind (if there is some irrefutable proof) :)
Unknown said…
I can agree with you but to a point.

In my opinion there's another life in the space, but it's impossible to get their signals. How should we do it? With WiFi, 3G, HSDPA, sounds, lights, fire?

Lots of years ago, there was nothing. No fire, no sounds, no electricity. We invented it. The same is with another life in the space - if exists, they have their own inventions which we don't know.

What's more, it's not a miracle that life started on Earth. We are just adapted to live here. We breathe air and need water to survive because these factors existed on Earth. First, it was Earth and then people occured. Not inversly.
As we don't have any true evidence, the question is deeply philosophical. We all can have a distinct point of view, based on our beliefs and life approach. But in this particular thing I agree with you, that the universe is too big, just for us earthlings. However if we ever actually found an Earth-like planet with an alien civilization we shoudn’t contact them. We shoudn’t even show them that there is a planet called Earth in any way. You could propobly ask me why – my answer would be Steven Hawking’s quote "If aliens visit us, the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans" - to sum up, it just wouldn't end well for us.
Piotr Basiński said…
It's interesting that there is no evidence that there is live on other planets. Maney people should search theam, mabey not. Nobody konws what will happen when we will meet different civilizations.
I prefer theory of ZOO. Intelligent civilizations don't want communicate with us until we reach they intelligence. This can be a little weird but why we don't communicate with ants? Well of course we know this no have any sense and ants can only understand the simplest signal. Maybe at this moment we are ants for I.T,
Unknown said…
Even if somewhere there is another civilization, I think now we can't have the technology that was able to pick up their signal or maybe they have no need to seek other beings, so they don't send any messages. There are many possibilities. We treat our planet really bad and the result of such actions, sooner or later we will destroy the earth. We should care more about the environment because otherwise we won't have a place to live. Back to other civilizations, even if we received some signal, we can't go there where they live, because now we can't even go to Mars. I'm afraid that for space travel and look for other civilizations we'll have to wait a long time.
Andrzej Gulak said…
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But do we really want to discover or be discovered by an intelligent life forms? Professor Simon Conway Morris has said that if cosmic phone rings, we shouldn't pick it up. But it's kind of too late since we have been leaking tv signals into space for decades. But I think we can all agree that it would be better for us if we discovered them rather than be discovered.
I hope that we are not alone in universe. It would be very sad, if we were the only one here. I think that that others civilizations are not smart as we are or maybe they're are at a much high level. But I believe that one day we will be able to explore universe and find out.
Unknown said…
I’ve never heard about Drake’s equation before. It’s quite an interesting concept to think of and assume. I believe that we can only assume if we are the only smart (and lonely) creatures in this huge universe (At least I don’t have much and education at this field to do something more than to assume).

“Or civilizations destroy themselves much faster than we hope?” - I really like this question. Actually, it reminds me of us - human beings. It looks like we’ll destroy ourselves even before the technology will be advanced enough to know if aliens exist.

Also, I think if we would have a Neumann probe now - we would know much more about the place we live in.
Unknown said…
If there is something out there, we keep continuesly thinking about it as something that will have same/similar cognitive abilities as we have. What if, we just lack some kind of sense to recognize some signs.

Some time ago I came across really interesting and funny video on this subject. Some disturbing thoughts was shared in it. What if, simply, we are too stupid for other life forms. So stupid they don't bother to contect us.

https://youtu.be/HO6ONMLfg5A?t=456
Moode said…
I really do like your presentation, very interesting.
the equation is a bit overwhelming for human been to fill in the equation variables :),
maybe there are lives out there, perhaps they send singles as we do but maybe they use different way of communication not radio waves as we do.
kondrat said…
In my opinion time is the most important factor affecting knowledge of other civilizations.
People on our planet live only a second compared to time of universe. If one civilizations send a signal to other-
it could last millions of years to get into other place. We live too short to be able to receive signals from others. Maybe signals are being sent
in different way than we expecting them. It is really hard to find out why we don't know about others. We should also refer to concept with more
numbers of space-time dimension, like theory Kaluzy-Klenia.
Moreover we are only able to explore our galaxy, but there are billions of galaxies in visible universe, what if life greatly develops in somewhere and we can't notice it?
Unknown said…
I don't know if you've heard but we (people of the Earth) have send a probe Voyager into space. It has been traveling for 38 years now and it has even passed Saturn. It has a golden plate on it that contains information about our civilization. I've been thinking... maybe other civilizations already know about us and they just don't want to have anything to do with us??

If you want to get more information about the Voyager and the golden plate here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E118gyMUrLU
Adam Nowak said…
I'm always astonished when people consider "aliens" as humans with green skin and antennae on the top of their heads. It's ultra anthropomorphical. Why do we see alien life as another mankind that build civilisations, spaceships and so on? Life definition is very broad. You can't even imagine all possible forms that life can take. It's possible that we could have an alien life, that can even "think", whatever it means, on the Moon, that is so different from our view of life, that we won't even notice them.
One of my favourite Sci-fi writer is Stanislaw Lem. His novels show to reader what could we meet somewhere in the future. The plot of his most famous book, "Solaris", is about a contact with alien "beign", that can't be even understood by whole mankind. Why? Because this alien beign is a whole planet, that after milions of years of its existence it's so complex, that his most visible "signs" of his alien life cannot be understood even by whole generations of scientists. And yes, at the same time, this "beign" is in some way conscious... But how can we communicate with such beigns that doesn't have brains like us? Why would we want to do that? For such beign, i think, we are like some sort of natural phenomenon. It could happen, that some aliens are like us, but it is nearly impossible.
Kacper Zaremba said…
That's a very interesting presentation! In my opinion the space is so big that it would be very naive to say that there are no other civilisations in space. Maybe they know about us, but just don't want to interrupt us, or we are not intelligent enough to notice them?
Unknown said…
First of all, if such exist somewhere in the universe there are very, very far away from us. Life certainly exist somewhere in space, on planet in some ways similar to ours, maybe even less than a few light-years away. But let's look at our planet. How many different plants and animals there are here, and only we, humans developed intelligence. The Civilization is the domain of intelligent beings. We are not only the phenomenon in the universe, we are the phenomenon even on Earth. Therefore, I am always very wary of even the most confirmed information about UFOs. That is why, I think, that the visit of the representatives of alien civilizations is impossible.
Firstly, I don't understad why we depend on this Drake equation if we can't nor estimate parameters nor check them. Going with that way of thinking I can also make up any equation where numbers don't add up and let other people believe in it. But of course it's nonsense. Secondly, how can we know if we haven't dected any intelligent civilizations yet? If we have, it is probably top secret and government would like to hide it. I belive in excistence of others intelligent civilizations. But maybe they just don't want to be found? Or maybe we are not able to detect any signals from our galaxy? I'm looking forward to hear about making any contact with other civillizations. I don't thnik that we are here alone. It's to much space in our galaxy for just us.
Wojtek Kania said…

I'm very passionately interested in the human future, on the Moon and Mars particularly, and elsewhere in the solar system. In this moment there are research and experiments about whole Universe. I think that retrieval foreign civilization is a matter of time.
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I didn't quite get the Drake equation so I looked it up myself. And there seems to be a more logical one, that is derived from it, which seems to be better if we want to draw any conclusions about possible alien life. It's called Seager equation and it "focuses on the search for planets with biosignature gases, gases produced by life that can accumulate in a planet atmosphere to levels that can be detected with remote space telescopes".

Seager equation
I think that there could be so called aliens somewhere there in space, the smarter civilization that could be using technology that we could not handle with our minds. That's why we haven't discovered any signals.

When talking about our rights of physics we know very little about it, about rights that rule our world. For me we need to recognize more of them to discover the "aliens" somewhere in space.
Or maybe they are only watching us like in soap opera ;)

It could be right that we are not smart enough to notice them or they are just simply hiding. Who knows?^^
Yet another interesting article :) Physics, as we know it, hides plenty of mysteries that keep physicist awake at night. It is extremely fascinating when you think how large our universe is and how many civilisations are out there. I personally believe that we are not alone ;)
Unknown said…
I recently watched a video (two actually) on the subject, and while I could explain what I saw there in great detail just for the sake of filling up space, I'll just link and recommend it, it's a great watch, interesting, approachable and above all pretty.

PART I:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNhhvQGsMEc

PART II:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fQkVqno-uI
Jarek_Ziem said…
What we can say about Drake Equation is that he tried to understand possibility of the prevalence of civilizations in Universe. There are two options, we are alone or we are not, both are quite frightening.
It's funny how humans are trying to seek the aliens and civilizations on the other planets but still we cannot even make peace between races of people on the single one.

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