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Week 2 [14.10-20.10.19] City activists – right initiative, or an annoying problem?


City activists – right initiative, or an annoying problem?

Big, modern cities face new problems which have not been known in a bygone era, but before we dive into the details of those challenges, let’s go back to the past to learn how similar obstacles were handled by our predecessors.

As cities gather a lot of people in the a relatively small area, it is not very surprising that the biggest issue to solve is transport. Once upon a time it was thought that streets would eventually become impassable because of horse manure. During that time, little did they know that it would be solved by replacing horses with cars and trams. One of the possible solutions could have been to ban horses from entering city centres, however it was too late to try this idea.

In some cities horses and trams (powered mainly by horses) had turned out to be too inefficient even before combustion engine cars dominated transport. One of the greatest human achievements of the 19th century was the Metropolitan Railway in London, which is known to be the first underground metro system in the world which was only the beginning of the creation of one of the biggest and the most amazing subway systems in the world. It partially solved the problem of overcrowded trams operated by many independent companies with different fare system each. I wonder how many people are aware of the side effects which included evicting people from houses which needed to be destroyed and not paying them off. Such people often became the residents of the railway stations and trains themselves.
The construction of the Metropolitan Railway. Source: Wikipedia

The point of telling you all of these is to emphasize the role of technology and engineering in the process of the development of the cities. Brave projects – often financially disastrous had opened the path to something we take for granted now. Unfortunately, instead of supporting further development, some people would prefer to do the opposite. One of such groups are so called “city activists”.

The motivation of city activists might seem to be totally right. Fighting the pollution and making cities friendly to all of its citizens. The problem is the biased definition of equality and the means of achieving it. Let me please describe the most popular examples.

Narrowing streets is the most forced activists’ idea. One of the fundamentals of their actions is “The Lewis–Mogridge position” which tells that cars will always occupy all available space which in turn generates traffic jams if the amount of space is big enough. That theory combined with overall hatred towards cars and their owners is the justification of proposals to narrow congested streets which theoretically should discourage drivers to enter them. The life example of implementing this solution is the capital of Columbia – Bogotá which has become totally paralyzed since some of the streets were narrowed. Just imagine what could happen if the most important streets of Warsaw were narrowed. We will soon realize this ourselves, because narrowing the Jana Pawła II street is confirmed.

Traffic jam in Bogota. Source: Wikipedia

The other way of making the transport more efficient is to eliminate the bus turnouts. The bus turnout is a designated spot on the side of a road where buses or trams may pull out of the flow of traffic to pick up and drop off passengers. Bus turnouts solve the problem of blocking the entire traffic in order to pick up the passengers. The downside of this solution is the additional time needed for the bus to re-enter the traffic. That disadvantage drives the activists’ nuts. It doesn’t matter that other buses are blocked in the traffic jam as well. If something makes drivers’ life worse, it’s a good idea!

All people, no matter at what age should always move by bicycle. Even if it’s winter, -20 degrees and you have to take your children to school in the morning – all vehicles apart from bicycles are the pure evil and should be banned. If it was about taking care of the environment, we could potentially elaborate, but electric scooters are included in the list of forbidden means of transport. “A scooter is not a bicycle” – that’s one of the slogans of activist organisations, which make me think that those people are actually insane.

Under no circumstances should you drive a vehicle other than a bicycle. Source: trust.org

There are a lot more of such innovative concepts, i.a building pedestrian crossings instead of underpasses in the city centres or banning cars from certain streets to allow people to stroll for the cost of creating congestion somewhere else. Finally, I should mention building bicycle lanes which is something I’d fully support, if they actually used them. Instead, we see a cyclist on the street right next to the brand-new bicycle lane is something totally usual.

This article was not objective – you can agree with me or not and I would like you to share your opinion:

  1. Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?
  2. How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?
  3. Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?

Comments

Bartosz Barnat said…
Honestly, I don't have my opinion about activists. I don't know if their ideas would really make city a better place or just annoy others. When I'm living in a city I almost never use bicycles. I prefer other ways of transportation e.g. bus, car, motorcycle or even longboard. When I do ride it I try to use bicycle lanes as they were intended and it's safer for you and other people involved in traffic in any way. I wouldn't give up on my private car completely because sometimes I need an extra space to carry all the things with me and my private car is the best way to do it. When I go shopping mostly I buy a lot of things and it would be impossible to carry like 5 bags to my apartment using public transport when I'm alone.
Dawid Piotrak said…
1. Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?

It really depends on the idea they are trying to push. I don't really follow such activists and their actions so i can't tell if i would support them. I guess if the idea itself is reasonable and well thought then i would be willing to agree with them on it.

2. How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?

I do not ride a bicycle very often. I also never used a bike to my daily commutes. I use it as a recreation for time to time and i usually pick some off-road routes. But when i do have to get in a main road I'd use a bike line if it was there. But if it wasn't i would just use a sidewalk as it always annoys me as a car driver when i have to stop to pass cyclists.

3. Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?

Right now i do own a car but rarely use it. I still wouldn't decide to gave up on it since sometimes it's very useful ( bigger shopping, going outside of the city etc. )
I am glad you haven't heard about their ideas, because that means that their impact is not catastrophic yet. I'm afraid you will soon find out as they are succeeding in pushing forward the idea of narrowing important streets in Warsaw. They also want to increase the parking fees for citizens so they will be much higher than a yearly public transport ticket. All of this is to punish people who work hard enough to afford own car...

The problem of carrying a lot of bags is well known by city activists and they have a solution. Take a look on so called "cargo bicycles". They look like shit and no one would ever use them, but those morons will try to force everyone to do so.
Cyclists on the roads are indeed annoying, but according to the traffic code they should use it instead of sidewalks if the speed limit is not higher than 50km/h. Because of that almost all groups of people (drivers, pedestrians) don't like cyclist because they are disturbing the smoothness of the movement and safety on the sidewalk.

Sure thing - if their ideas were reasonable, it would be worth supporting them, but none of them is reasonable...
Damian Drozd said…
Great article.
All of the shown ideas doesn't make sense and I'm not familiar with any others so accordingly to the article their solutions would not make a city better place to live.
I cycle quite often and obviously always use the bicycle lane, but still many of them leaves much to be desired.
Probably I wouldn't give up using private car because in many cases it's the only way for travelling long distances and I also just like driving a car :)
Maciej Sadoś said…
I’ve never really heard of the activists and their actions before but from your presentation I’m not so enthusiastic about their offerings. We should certainly strive for a better city living conditions but we shouldn’t do things that could regress our civilization to the middle ages. As always we should not exaggerate. Narrowing streets and ban everything except bicycles doesn’t seem like a wise idea.
I ride a bicycle occasionally, only for recreation, but probably if I lived in a city I could often ride it to work or school. If there is a bicycle lane I always use it. Not only because it’s required, but also I try not to be an obstacle for the traffic. As a driver I know how annoying it is.
In many cases I could resign from using a car when it was exactly like you presented. However, the key word here is completely. I certainly prefer to go by car in situations like shopping or driving for longer distances. It also gives us some kind of our own space and privacy which we don’t have in a public transport.
Thanks!

Yes, their actions would definitely not make the city a better place to live, but just the opposite.

I agree that some of the bike lanes aren't in a good condition, but that doesn't justify the use of a road instead of such bike lane. Some of those fanatic cyclists claim that their bikes would be damaged if they used a bicycle lane. I think it is high time we use the pavements to move by cars, because there are too many holes in the roads.

You should drive a car if you like it. Everyone should be free to choose whatever mean of transport one desires!
Everything you've said is a pure truth. You are a driver unlike many of those bicycle fanatics, so you understand what it is like not being able to overtake such person.

One of the worst aspects of their actions is implying that they are representing the will of all citizens of a certain area. In fact, citizens are not informed about public consultations and are not able to participate, because they are organised during working hours. Yes - a lot of city activists are unemployed.

Yes - own car gives the privacy and comfort during the transport and all people should be free to use it no matter what is the opinion of some extremists.
Well to be honest I don't care about those activists. I do not support them. If it's possible to go by bike and i have plenty of time i'm in. My only terms is that it has to be hot outside and i have a good mood to do it :). Yes i would, most of a time i try to travel by tram or bus just because it is already to much traffic jams in Warsaw.
Karol Michalak said…
1. Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?
Yes, I fully support, not all of them of course. As a city we should emphasized more on public transport especially the one that doesn't use the road so much like trains, subways and even trams. When I drive to PJATK or work i see hundreds and hundreds of cars and more then 75% of them are lazy and alone drivers that only take space on the road while they could use public transport or journey to work with others so the number of traffic jams where lowered.
2. How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?
I don't like bicycle I focus more on getting around the city on foot and by public transport. I would like to buy scooter though even non-electric one and then i would prefer the bicycle lanes to get faster to different part of the city.
3. Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?
I don't need to consider this. I don't own a car but even though I sometimes drive with friends and families, sitting for literal hours in a jam is no comfort even if you sit and listen to the music you prefer. It is only waste of time and nerve in my case.
Did I understand correctly - you want to drive non-electric scooter on the bicycle lane? I want to see that :) Or maybe you mean those fragments of the roads painted red, because then it makes sense - I even do this myself to bypass the jam by the motorcycle, even though that's probably illegal.

I don't own a car as well and during winter I travel by public transport only, but it doesn't mean that I would like to force everybody to do so. In my opinion all people who choose to spend that much time in a traffic jam, alone in the car, do it intentionally, because no one ever forces anybody to drive a car. As a passenger of the public transport (I am even a rail fan for the record :) ) I really care about its development and quality, but it shouldn't happen in a way which makes drivers life worse. Please, be aware that some actions of the activists cause buses to be trapped in the jams as well.

Roads are public and everybody has equal rights to use them. Even "lazy and alone" drivers. Enforced collectivism is nothing but limiting the freedom. We had such experience in Poland before and it ruined our country so much that we can still see the results.
Well, riding a bike is pleasure, especially when the weather is good. Public transport in Warsaw is pretty good too. Everything is totally fine if you neither tell other people what to do, nor force them to live your way :)
1. I have the same opinion as you. Some of their ideas are completely out of touch with reality, especially this about transport problems. But I support them with the fight about green places in cities. In big cities in Poland there is a problem - trees, lawns and parks disappear. Concrete squares take their place. I totally don't understand why? Green places are not only places where we can rest, but also the lungs of cities.

2. I admit I often ride bicycle. But I prefer to avoid cities while I ride.
Woods (especially Kampinos) are better places. Fresh, clean air, nature, siletness, yeah - woods are perfect places to for bicycle. But of course, there are situations, where I must ride bicycle in city. Then I choose bicycle lane, where if it is available. I try to avoid ride a bike through the roads, because I afraid of agressive drivers which don't know highway code.

3. It's a great idea, but you have to remember about exceptional situations. Sometimes it is necessary to use a car because it is more comfortable. For example, if you go to the doctor and want to avoid people, you go to an important meeting and because traveling by communication can be very tiring and boring. Remember that urban transport will never be as efficient as a private car.
Kacper Gąsior said…
1. Not always, but in many cases I do. I think they're right about cars in the city, especially center parts of it. Without any problem you can move around the city center using public transport. It's easy and quite cheap in comparison to cars. What I see everyday is that over 70% of cars have only one passenger - it's a very big waste of place and money. In such case public transport is great save of place. Even car sharing seems to be very reasonable in such situations.

2. I often ride bicycle. I use bicycle lane if it's available.

3. Of course. Even today, as public transport isn't free and in perfect shape, I use it. I prefer it over car as it's more comfortable and cheaper mean of transport.
You meant the "muscle powered" scooter. I had a one with combustion engine in mind... English language is incomplete here...
Anna Koca said…
1. Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?

In my opinion, such methods of forcing people are pointless. Instead of encouraging people to take care of environment, campaigns like this frustrate them and working opposite. People get angry and connect that feeling with actions which in spite of good intentions, makes their life difficult.

2. How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?

I love riding a bike. Every time the weather is good I prefer cycling than driving a car. I don't stand in traffic jams and also have a chance to work out.

3. Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organized and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?

I can not use public transport because of my health problems. I faint in crowds and
in tight spaces so it wouldn't be the best option for me. However, I think that still would be a great action and actually encouraging people to give up transport by car.
s15385 said…
1. Honestly I have never heard about them and I'm not familiar with any activits but reading your article I can conclude that their ideas don't make any sense at all.

2. I rarely ride a bike, only when I need to quickly get from one spot to another because waiting for public transport would take too much time.

3. In some situations car is much more convienient and practical than any other public transport so I wouldn't give up it. Moreover I like driving a car :)
For many people, the car is a working tool, so I don't understand these great ideas to completely remove them from cities. Every morning, thousands of cars deliver products to the shops in the morning so that cyclists have something to eat and so on. It sounds ironic, but such topics irritate me a lot. Of course, environmental protection is very important, but it is not the solution. I cycle 2 to 3 times a week to the swimming pool, of course, if it is not raining or if it is not -20 degrees. If it was only me, I think I could give up the car, in fact I use it very rarely, but there are also people who just feel bad in the crowd. And that's the question of those people who use the car as a tool for work. This is a very idyllic question, so it's hard to answer. Finally, I would like to add that I am irritated by some social group which forbids me to do something and says it is for my own good.
Yubin said…
1. Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?

Although I am a person who prefers to ride a bicycle or walking than driving, I do not agree with the city activists, the approach they force others is futile, everything has a balance, you can't push it to the extreme, moreover, that will lead to the downturn of the car manufacturers and many people may lose their jobs because of this. The city activists just need to find another good balance in this matter.

2. How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?

In my country, every time I go out, I will ride the bicycle, because China now has shared bicycles everywhere, you can randomly see 30 neatly arranged bicycles in a street or biside a metro station, I just need to scan the QR code with my mobile phone, and the bike will be turned on in few seconds. And of course, I have been using bicycle lanes all the time.

3. Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?

Of course, I would if people won't care about what I mentioned in the first question and what you thought would be possible. But you know it won't be possible at least in my remaining lifetime, in this case, private car is still more convenient than public transport.
s18716 said…
Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?
In general, yes. City activists are doing something quite useful for society. And what is important is that these are volunteers. They have their own life, work, responsibilities, but despite this they find time and energy to improve public life in cities. And whether they will succeed is another question. This of course depends on the city, the number of inhabitants and the infrastructure in it. In order not to fall into your own trap, you need to consider a lot of factors. But this is not so simple.

How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?
I practically do not ride a bicycle, but I do not exclude the possibility that for a large number of people this is a very convenient way to travel. Unfortunately for me, no. I prefer to walk. Unless of course the distance allows you to do this. But I support the idea of ​​using the bike as much as possible. This to some extent affect the environmental situation at least.

Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?
Which I do in principle. I repeat, I walk more. But if I need to travel long distances I use public transport. There is no problem with this city. Unfortunately, it is not free yet, but if it is, then I do not mind.
Very nicely written article, I congratulate.

1. I've never really heard of city activists or their actions, so I don't really care about them. The way they act, which you have presented, however, gives food for thought, because their ideas will be given to the entire population of the city, who may also have no idea about their existence, but in the end only experience the effects of their successful inventions. Activist ways may not be 100% bad, but they should be reasonable and fair. First - all residents should know the intentions of activists and ideas that they want to impose on the city without the knowledge of the community. Secondly - everyone should find a golden mean and make decisions together that will satisfy both sides. At this point, I don't even want to think about supporting activists.

2. I don't ride a bike because I don't have my own. I also don't rent bikes because I don't need them. I move around the city by public transport. If I had a bike and I really used it, I would definitely move on bicycle paths for two reasons - for my own safety and for the comfort of both sides of the traffic - drivers and cyclists.

3. This question is a bit difficult. It's hard for me to answer honestly. I have always used and I am still using public transport, and it seems okay. Despite the enormous crowds at rush hour, strange air conditioning settings, smelly people, homeless people... well maybe not THAT okay. If I really needed a car, I'm pretty sure I'd change my mode of transport almost immediately. Even in spite of the utopian vision of public transport You presented in the question, I think that nothing would beat the comfort of a private car. I would certainly give it a try [the new public transport], and it would certainly look better than now, but probably such a change would be associated with an equivalent increase in the problems I mentioned earlier. Hello, cruel world.
1. Honestly some of their proposals are too hardcore and forced, I understand that they want the best for the environment, but such insistent and ill-considered ideas will bring only the reluctance of city dwellers. It is as if someone overnight told me to change my lifestyle without taking my opinion into account, it is unacceptable and incomprehensible. Satisfying every person is almost impossible, so reaching a consensus is very difficult.

2. I mainly use the bicycle for recreation during the cycling season. When I have access to a bicycle path, I always try to use it, I don't see a good reason not to.

3. I have always used public transport and in many cases it's faster than cars due to couple of privilages etc. If it was free, perfectly organized and reached absolutely all parts of the city, I see no reason not to use it more often. Unfortunately, this sounds more like a dream than reality.
1. It’s always like that – noble idea in the hands of the fanatics, which just results in mocking those activists (or spilled blood). They should act cool-headed and thoughtfully if they want to be treated seriously.
2. I don’t have one at the moment so sometimes in summer I can use “Veturilo” to go to places and that’s all. And yes, I always use bicycle lane if possible.
3. I would if there was enough space in public transport for everyone willing to use it, without omnipresent crowd packing in one small bus (the best part of this is after all this crowd is packed up in the poor bus, it drives right into an awfully big traffic jam).
1. I do not support any kind of activism. I think they are harmful to everything they do. They narrow problems to trivial level when in fact they are much more complicated. And in my opinion city activists are the worst kind. I feel personally attacked by their ideas and I can't think of any good thing they did in Warsaw. Traffic is becoming worse and worse so is traveling by public transport means. I have conspiracy theory that those activists are only because some guy much higher than them wants to become richer.
2. Not to often throughout the whole year because there are very few days when riding the bike is pleasant and for me it's a sport so when I do, I ride as fast as I can. So I'll have to always take a shower after the ride and it makes it not so convenient. However I always use bike line if there is one.
3. Never. I love driving my car and traveling comfortably so I would never ditch it. Public transport is just not for me.
Olha Romaniuk said…
1. On the one hand, activists are a great way of communicating between people and government. I think that taking care of the environment is good. But I also think that motivating people with prohibitions is wrong from the start. In my opinion, a good solution to this problem is to improve the state of logistics in the city in such a way that it is much more profitable to travel by public transport than by car, both in terms of money and time and comfort.
In general, I think it's better not to touch a working system once again. I will explain: even a small change in one part of the city can have a completely unexpected and huge impact on another part (butterfly effect). Let's assume that the narrowing of the street will lead to the fact that the drivers will bypass it on other streets, which are likely not designed for such a flow of cars, which can lead to new problems.

2. I only ride my bike when I'm walking with friends. I don't always ride the bike trays just because it's not there, or it's in an inconvenient place, or I haven't seen it. In Warsaw, the system of bicycle lanes is very poorly developed.

3. If it's about moving around in the city, yes, I would refuse. But I would definitely have a car in my garage for comfortable Sunday trips out of town.
But you have to keep in mind that there is a category of people for whom a large crowd of people is a real challenge. In public transport, there are often situations where you have to smell someone else's armpit, and there is no way to keep your privacy. So it is important to really organize public transport in a way that makes it as comfortable as possible for as many people as possible.
Maciej Szczypek said…
When i read the word "activists" in the beggining of the article I always know that they did or are going to do something, what is contrary to my beliefs and opinions. The activists always try to achieve their goal using very childish methods, and I do not support them at all. I do not think that their ideas would make city a better place to live. The key to that are well planned, modern traffic systems adjusted to current and future cities needs.

I ride bicycle about once or twice a month in the city suburbs and I use bicycle lane if it is necessary, but mainly I ride through forest or use low traffic roads.

There is no possibility for me to completely stop using private car. Using private car is much more comfortable and one can drive whenever he wants in basically door-to-door manner.
Piotr Bednarek said…
1. I have never heard about that actions before and I don't support that city activists, becuase that solutions wouldn't make the city better place to live. They may not only paralyse city but also have bad impact on mental health and physical well-beaing of habitants.

2. During summer I ride a bicycle almost everyday, because I can commute to work or school faster. In Warsaw we have good cycle infrascructure so there is no use to choose pavements or road. Moreover using bike path doesn't pose a risk to other road user.

3. It depend on a final point of my journey, because when I want to go to my hometown I have to choose a car, because there is no public transport. Your idea sounds great when it comes to Warsaw or other big city. I will decide to this option, because I will have more time to read books, listen music or catch up on TV series. In addition public transport is beneficial for the enviroment, because by moving to public transport we can reduce greenhous gas emission and fuel waste. Moreover this movement may reduce traffic congestion, therefore we will reach our destinations quicker and more convinient.
Very interesting presentation. So, answering your questions:

1. I do not support the activities of urban activists and I believe that their ideas will not make the city a better place to live. Their ideas are absurd, with no vision of the future. I also think that they will contribute to the destruction of the city and do more harm than help. I do not support this.

2. I rarely ride a bike because I don't have one. I only use rentals such as Veturillo. When using the bicycle, I obey all the rules that apply.

3. This question is very difficult to answer. Currently, I do not have a car and I use only public transport. Due to the fact that I live in Warsaw in the neighboring district of the center, I have practically no problem getting around the city. But I think that the car somehow increases travel and will not replace it by public transport.
Kuba Berliński said…
1. I do not support activists. Their ideas sound crazy to me. I like how they try to change the world for better, however, sometimes I have a feeling that they are actually trying to make it worse instead.

2. I haven't ridden bicycle in years. I'm afraid that I might have forgotten how to ride it. However I think that if there is a possibility for cyclist to ride on the bicycle lane they should do it. There is nothing more annoying to see them ride on narrow pavement or block you on the street.

3. Yes in case of city centre. I even managed to do so, as I have a car and I left it in home instead of bringing it to warsaw. However, outside of city centre car is causing less harm and they are far better than public transport.

1. Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?

I have never supported activists because their demands usually hits me directly. I think that the city should be improved through good management, expansion and new investments.

2. How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?

I cycle often during the season but mainly for recreational purposes. I choose the most comfortable routes and usually they are covered with a good bicycle path.

3. Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?

In such situation I would definitely use public transport more often. However, when you need to be sure that you reach your destination at the appointed time the car is irreplaceable. In addition, I would miss the fun of driving which makes every day better.
The problem I see in my case is the availability of public transportation in the place where I live. I still live within the city limits, however, near their end. It seems to me that from the point of view of the authorities and residents it would not make sense to run the line and buy buses or trams only for a several people who would possibly benefit.
1. I do not support these actions because I think that sometimes they are stupid and will give nothing.
It seems to me that activists want to backward the city instead of developing it, but that's my opinion.

2. I always use a bike path when riding a bike because I know how annoyed a cyclist is on the road
. Another thing is that the majority of (professional) cyclists do not even consider the cycling path.

3.Of course, yes, I would save a lot on this, Fuel + operating costs cost a lot, therefore I am for public transport.
I usually use the car for trips or to go to my hometown
Yes, you are right, there could be more green places in the cities. However, I wouldn't like for example planting trees in place of a lane of the road.

Woods are indeed very good places to go cycling, or jogging. Unfortunately most of the events like marathons, or so called "critical mass" take place inside the city whoch requires closing streets and annoying drivers once again :)

There are many reasons not to use public transport, but the private car, but city activists don't even want to listen to them. Everyone has to go by bicycle always, without any exceptions.
Yes, you are right and everything would be fine if they didn't try to force people to follow their way of life. The amount of space "wasted" by cars wouldn't be so significant if roads were not narrowed. Traffic jams is the problem to solve and simply removing the problem by banning cars is not a solution.
1. Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?
It is hard for me to comment because I am not interested in this topic. However, of course, everything depends on the idea they would like to propose to us, if the solution turned out to be servants, probably yes.

2. How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?
In the summer season, I try to ride a bike to work, but I don't like it because I have an uncomfortable bike. Definitely city bikes are not for me. In addition, I don't like to ride a bike when it is raining or cold, which is why I usually avoid it.

3. Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?
Yes of course ! Maintaining a car that usually stands in a traffic jam is expensive, comfortable but expensive. If public transport were cheaper and further expanded its lines, I could certainly give up the car. However, in the current situation, the choice is simple for me.
I definetly do not support such actions. These people have no right to restrain my freedom by standing in the middle of the road i am driving on. Such activities are very selfish and stupid in my opinion. They do not change anything and only make everything worse. I do not ride bicycle at all because i prefer moving in a faster type of vehicle and it is my right to not do so. I use both public transport and private car depending on my needs. I do realise that pollution is a problem but you do not solve it by creating even more traffic jam. What kind of logic even is this?
Pure truth. Trying to achieve anything by unfair methods and force instead of actual arguments is always going to fail.

If you can't use public transport, I assume you travel by car only during winter. According to city activists you should use a bicycle in such case. Happy cycling! Don't forget to equip your bike with some winter tires!
Our beloved activists have a solution for people who deliver goods. Take a look on so called "cargo bicycles". It is absolutely obvious that their size and performance is too low to replace trucks, but that's something they don't want to hear about. And the look of those bikes... Disgusting.
When you use the word "society", you mean all the people in the city? Because actions of city activists are useful only for a very small group of bicycle fanatics who treat drivers as criminals. Communism is oficially illegal in Poland, however, trying to force people to abandon their private cars in favor of collective forms of transport is for some unknown reason acceptable.

As I mentioned in the beginning of the article, developing public transport used to consist of building infrastructure and finding more efficient ways to operate it. No one has ever thought about banning horses from entering the city centre.
1. Every idea has it's advantages and disadvantages. There's no unique idea that would pleasure everybody It's like in your example: banning cars from certain street creates congestions in other streets. Every idea has it's backlash

2. I pretty much always use bicycle if the weather is nice. My everyday route to work in summer included riding a bike through half of Warsaw

3. I wouldn't. It would only create crowds of people waiting for their transport and it would make it much worse experience than it is right now.
Thank you, I aprreciate :)

The Golden Mean - that is exactly what is missing in the ideas of city activists. The would like to replace all roads with bicycle lanes, or pavements and punish all evil drivers who commited the crime of being able to afford own car. The neocommunism in its most annoying form.
Cezary Róg said…
Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?
It's really hard to say whether I support actions of city activists or I don't. I like good ideas and if somebody shows me a good idea and I have to put my name on the list then I'm okay with it.

How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?
I ride a bicycle quite often and I use bike lanes anytime I can. I really don't understand people cycling on a three lane road having bike lane next to them. I see such people everyday.

Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?
I think I like the fact of going from point A to B in my car without going to the bus stop in any weather conditions so much that I would not go for free public transport.
Mateusz Szych said…
1. It depends on which activists are concerned. You generalize everyone too much. Personally, I do not support narrowing the streets, but many of their postulates are correct. Many things in this article were exaggerated.

2. I rarely ride a bicycle, I prefer public transport. I always use the bicycle lane because it is required by law. In addition, bicycle lanes are safer.

3. I rarely use my own car. I prefer trams because they are not stuck in traffic and I don't have to worry about the parking space. In my opinion, public transport in Warsaw is well organized and the prices are low.
1. Not really. The idea behind this is fine, fighting the pollution is very important, especially nowadays. The problem is the way they want to achieve this. I think it would cause mainly chaos, like the image of traffic jam in Bogota. Even this rule, that you should drive only a bicycle, it's ridiculous. A better way I believe would be to encourage people to use bicycles, public transport and even mentioned scooters.

2. Not too often, I use mainly public transport to move around the city. Although when I do use a bike, I always use the bicycle lane. Riding a bike on a street is a bit terrifying for me.

3. I would definitely reduce using a private car, but I believe there are some situations that you have to use a car and using a public transport would be very inconvenient. However, if we are talking about regular transportation, then public transport is completely fine.
Szymon Kluczek said…
1. I am not one of city activists but I support their actions, I mean they challenge for better, environment-friendly solutions so I think we all should stand by them.
I hope they will nail for us a better place to live. I truly believe in their good intentions and ideas, we would benefit from in the future.

2. I ride a bicycle whenever it’s possible; not only in the summer and spring, but also in warm autumnal or winter days. If it’s available I always use the bicycle lane, I think it’s a magic wand for bike riders, you don’t have to worry about the cars or pedestrians.

3. Of course, I always support pro-eco solutions , and this one appears really reasonable to me. I think it’s a great idea and we all should consider that. Giving up on our prive cars and using public transport instead would be very good change for the environment.
Mykyta Smirnov said…
1. Every idea has it's own hidden or not pros and cons, and not every activists idea is to be supported. But if it's for greater goods why shouldn't I support them.
2. I don't ride bike often, mostly I use public transport or just walk.
3. I don't like driving, so if there is no need why should I. There is no need of mine on the road inside car that takes space and increases the traffic. Sure it gives more comfort and privacy for myself, but actually this goods are payed with other people's time that are stuck due to my comfort.
1.It really depends. Narrowing streets in most cases would be bad idea and there would be more traffics. Removing cars and other vehicles to make everyone use bicycyles only would be disaster in most of big cities. Some changes are easier said than done and they have more consequences than we imagine.

2.Lately very rarely i ride a bicycle. But i can say that me and many other cyclists are not using the bicycle lanes that much. Not all parts in cities have them and many people specially children dont want to ride bicycle on the streets next to cars and buses and not every city part provides bicycle paths.

3.No because it would be only in the area I live in. Transport to other cities or in some natural areas like forests and lakes would be much much harder. Plus privacy and traveling alone (or with some closest to me persons only) is very important to me, which wouldn't be possible anymore.
Adam Tokarczyk said…
I must admit, it's really interestic topic. I didn't even know there is such thing as city activists. I was sure that problems you mention are domain of green activists or however they tend to call themselves. Maybe it's just one of many names?

1. Overall I think most forms of activist groups, especially those about which we hear most often, bring more harm than benefits. Maybe it's their way of making profit of gullible people or a way to bring chaos into normal people lifes. I know some of them are probably 'good' groups and even in those 'bad' there are people which really wanna make life better but... this just doesn't seem to work in latter. They make more noise and chaos than actual good deeds. So no, I don't support city activists or any kind of activist groups. Ideas mentioned in article would be disastrous for city inhabitants. Even more importally, why should some small group dictate what's good for people? Even through I avoid using car in Warsaw, because public transport is pretty well developed and Warsaw tends to have huge traffic jams, I'd still try to improve car traffic instead of making it worse. Information about Jan Pawel II street sounds terrible... this street is already narrow enough and they wanna make it even worse? Terrible idea. It will make life of whole population worse. Cars will be stuck in even bigger traffic. Alongside them it will hit bus transport. We will just commute slower and get angry more often. Warsaw streets arrangement isn't perfect, but more or less it works. If I'd change something about communication in city, I'd work on even better public transport, better streets with more lanes, and less of green zones alongside roads. Plants are important for life of people, since we need them to actually live, but it would be much more beneficial, if they had their designed places instead of placing them alongside every road, disturping vission and bringing more traffic accidents. Also, we're not getting ahead in techonology, just to go back to times of riding bikes or scooters, even if they are electric now.

2. Recently I don't ride bike too often, since I don't have much time for it. But I used to love riding and still like to go for a ride from time to time. I usually ride in places where there are no bicycle lanes, but if there are I use them. It's simply convenient. I don't disturb either pedestrians nor car movement. If there is no bicycle lane it depends. I'd usually ride on a car road if there are pedestrians. If sidewalk is empty and car is approaching me I'd use sidewalk of course. It's painfully annoying when I see some zealous cyclist riding on a road and blocking traffic, if he has space to move, so I never do it. I think they really deserve their opinion of one of most hated groups. Maybe if they used cars more often, they would be more friendly towards other users of roads, but now they are very selfish and I wish they were prohibited from using car road if there is no need of it. The best sign of it, is fact, that even if they have special roads built, they still prefer to disturb others instead of using them.

3. I would never give up private car, because why would I? It's still most comfortable way to travel and I doubt something will be able to compete in near future. Even if I'd use it rarely I'd still want to be able to travel how and when I like, instead of following what bus route dictates
Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?

It depends what kind of action or idea it is. However, I am always standing for improving things in city I live in. The question you asked is way too broad to answer. Every idea is different, I am not going to support it or oppose it only because some "city activists" came up with it.

How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?
I don't ride bicycle in the city at all so I can't really relate to this question. I usually like long bicycle trips during my holidays. You won't find bicycle lanes in places where I spent my holidays.

Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?

Yeah, sure. I am already using public transport most of the time so it would be only a change for the better when ti comes to me. Although I don't believe that public transport you just described is possible to create.
Pawel Bluszcz said…
1. No, I personally do not support the activities of urban activists and I will never support it. I agree with an author of this text in hundred percent. Activists are most likely negative about cars by promoting, for example: bicycles. They are not looking for solutions, they are looking for relief to negatively express everything and everyone who has a different opinion on such topic. Personally, I think that reducing car lanes and increasing bicycle lanes doesn't make sense especially in the city. If someone wants to ride a bike, I cordially encourage him to go on a trip to the forest and not ride a slalom between cars or pedestrians.
2. Recently, I don't ride a bike at all, but if it happens to me I always ride bike paths or in the woods
3. The topic of abandoning a car for a bicycle is a river theme (in Polish they say so). Personally, I would never leave my car because of the comfort of travel. I don't have to stand in the crowd or smell some bad smells sometimes in buses/trams.
1. I am not familiar with the position of city activists. Of course, you can not judge everyone equally. I think some of them have good ideas and want to make their city the best.

2. I don't ride a bike.

3. I think that if it were really possible, the need for a private car would be significantly reduced, except for trips out of town.
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1. I don’t support them, but I think it’s good that there are such kinds of people. Maybe their ideas are not always right but without some of their actions life in the city would be worse. Of course, constricting road is not a solution for growing city.
2. I used to ride a lot, even during winters while it was -20 degrees. I had special tires with kevlar spikes which helped me to get through the frozen roads. Nowadays, I only ride when the weather is good. I use bicycle lanes every time I see them.
3. No, because I don’t think that it would ever be that perfect and organised. Disregarding from that fact, car is very useful when I need to make big grocery shopping or to transport my dog.
1. I do not support any kind of activism. I think they are harmful to everything they do. I think that they are trying to change the world for better, however, sometimes I have a feeling that they are actually trying to make it worse instead.

2. I don't use bike because I do not own one. I also don't rent bikes because I don't need them. I move around the city by public transport.

3. It's a great idea, but you have to remember about exceptional situations. Sometimes it is necessary to use a car because it is more comfortable. For example, if you go to the doctor and want to avoid people, you go to an important meeting and because traveling by communication can be very tiring and boring. Remember that urban transport will never be as efficient as a private car.
Anna Moskalenko said…
1. I totally agree with you, that sounds totally insane. It is indeed delusional. I actually never heard about such a “movement” if I can say so - that gives me hope that my friends and close ones are not that stupid to support it (everything wrote above is only my opinion and should not be taking too seriously and blah blah blah).
I can’t imagine what will happen to the city if the bus turnouts will be eliminated. I mean, like, what, everybody will have to walk a few kilometres (at least) to work, because the traffic is just paralyzed because of some delusional “activists”? That can’t be right.
2. I can’t ride a bicycle, I’ve never learned how to do that :D When anybody hears that, they always replies like “Gosh, how is that even possible, I’ll teach you”. Hello? Where are you, teachers? I’m here ? Please help?
3. Hell yeah I would. That how I live now, but public transport is not free and is not reaching all parts of the city. But, you know, maybe someday...
1. I didn't heard of them before and they doesn't look too good to be honest
2. I bought a road bike this summer to lose some weight so if I can, I go by bike to the center, to uni etc. Most of the time I use the bicycle lane, but they are not always on my way to the destination so sometimes I use road.
3. I'm using only public transport. Much cheaper and I can get wherever I want. Of course sometimes I have to walk, but hey, it's healthy! I don't need car - public transport for student is much better
s15487 said…
1. The way in which you described the city activists, they seem like people without perspectives who want to make other people's life more cumbersome. Maybe it is true, as our government makes it most of the time :P I do not agree to ideas like narrowing currently existing roads because it seems insane and is related to insane amount of money (which of course gonna be covered from our taxes). On the other hand, I totally agree to build more bike lanes, as most the rich and developed countries do (like the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Japan etc.). Also, the restriction of car traffic in city centers would be a good idea, and rich cities provide it as well. I think people should change their attitude, as currently, it looks like most of the cars has a driver and do not have passengers and that's what causes the traffic jams in rush hours. People might switch their cars on motorbikes, motorcycles and mentioned scooters... To be honest, I don't know why the activists are against the electric scooters, but the truth is it should be a little bit more regulated (like the top speed restrictions etc.)

2. I try to ride a bike as often as possible, but it's not so convenient when you don't have your own bike and you are dependent on Verturillo, where most of the bikes are already rent/blocked/broken. When I rent a city bike I always use the bicycle lane. When you wrote about people who do not use the prepared lanes, I suppose you meant people on road bikes and they probably do not use that because they are able to achieve high speed and they are aware there are pedestrians who don't care if they walk on pavement or a bicycle path or they cross it without making sure there are cyclists behind them. I don't claim it's a good manner but it's just like I see it.

3. Yeah, I would definitely use public transport, bike, and motorbike. I think people in developing countries more often think that driving a car show their economic status and they can't use public transport because of that. When you look at better developed and richer countries, like the Netherlands or Denmark you'll see that most people ride bicycles, on the other hand, when you look at Japan and their perfectly organized public transport, you'll see most of the Japanese are using public transport.
Mateusz Hefner said…
1.Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?
I don't support city activists because i think they don't make anything better that it is.

2.How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?
I used to ride a bicycle in forests, never in cities. I think city isn't good place for them.

3.Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?
I would never do such a thing. My private car is not only to transport me from place to place. I traveled to much in my life to know that public transport is not always the right call.
I support the activities of city activists, but sometimes they go a few steps too far. Changes and amenities are needed. Everything should go forward, not so much at the expense of comfort for residents and users during construction.

Unfortunately, but I have problems with my knee, so I can't ride a bike, but when I used to ride whenever possible, I used a bicycle belt. It's convenient and you don't have to worry about cars.

If public transport were convenient, free, you would not have to wait 30 minutes at the stop, I would stop using the car. Although sometimes I have to wait 30 minutes for the bus, I will probably start using public transport again. I need to start caring for the environment.
1) First of all, it depends what kind of ideas people support as an activists. An increase in awareness leads to an increase in requirements to the quality and comfort of the urban environment, to service and transport infrastructure, to environmental safety. It is not surprising that city authorities most often do not respond sufficiently quickly to changing requests from citizens. And then, not having received from the city attention to their needs, the most creative and constructively minded of them take matters into their own hands. And they create those objects and systems that, in their opinion, can improve life in the city. For example I support ideas like Flash mobs, Street art, trenings, volunteers organisations. I think it is important from what aspect we interpret the word City activists.
2) I do not often use bicycles, but I always try to stick to rules and ride on the line.
3) No sense to abandon from private car. Public transport in "both ways" must be perfectly organised and reach all parts of the city but of course not free.
Iryna Lehusha said…
It all depends on the problem that activists raise. But in most cases, activists pay attention to the necessary and important things. And if you delve deeper into the issue raised by activists, you can make the city better.
I don't ride a bike often. Only in during the seasons when you can use Veturilo, because I don't have my own. And always, where there is a bicycle lane I use it. Bicycle lane designed to ride a bike and not interfere with passers or cars.
I think Warsaw has a very convenient infrastructure, I can get anywhere in a short period of time. There are even separate lanes for buses. So, no need to use a car.
1. For the most part, I do not agree with their view. Often, the manifestation of these ideas in my opinion will do more harm than good, it all depends on the form of showing the idea.
2. Sometimes I ride a bicycle and use a bicycle lane or pavement, I don't ride a bicycle because it is dangerous and it disturbs the driver.
3. No, I spend all my earnings on expanding my car collection and I will definitely not give up on them. The car is very useful when transporting large luggage, going on holidays and cars are my passion. :)
I think it depends on activity. Because without them(activists) we wouldn't get anything from the government. But sometimes they do irrational and not even close to useful activities. I close my eyes on their actions.
I ride bicycle only when I want to walk and take a break from the computer. I don't have my own in Warsaw, but I use veturillo, I like that. I use bicycle lane, because it's fun=) I do really like public transport in Warsaw, but if I'll have a car, most probably I'll use it instead of public transport. I have reasons for that. First of all clean clothe and shoes. You can’t maintain you stuff clean when you use public transport, and we all know why. Second is the others smell, I don’t wanna smell and feel it forever. As student, I’m okay with public transport. But if I'd know that I’m gonna use it for all my life, I’d rather kill myself.
Kgajewska said…
1. In my opinion it depends on types of activists and their ideas. Some of them really can change our city and make it a better place - greenier or healthier. Its nice to see that some people care, but not every change can be made. People's opinions can differ and what the city should do when two groups will force their rights? We have to remember that in some cases the balance is key.
2. When i was child I used to ride a bicycle and yes, i did stick to the rules. Now I really hate it so I'm avoiding it.
3. I dont have the driving liceanse and I'm using the public transport so I would be very content to have it for free, but I'm not sure that giving up a private car completly is a good idea. Yes, we should minimize the usage of private cars but there are situations in which a private car is a must.
Vitalii Ohol said…
1. It actually depends. I'm not supporting activists for now. For me, they no more than noisy groups of people that make me angry. But everything can change. No one knows what can happen in the future.

2. I rode bike for the last 10 years(maybe...or even more), but now I do it not so often. I'm not feeling safe enough on-road and don't want to disturb other people. So I try to use bicycle lanes everywhere I can and possible.

3. I don't have a car and not considering to buy one. I like to walk as much as I can and public transport can help me reach all parts of the city and it's definitely enough for my needs.
s15052 said…
1. It really depends on situation. I'd really like to improve my city in a various ways, but those changes are not always possible to be done. There are so many factors that have to be taken into account when making various changes in the city, and let's not forget that changes in the city are also changes in their residents - their behavior and habits.
2. I like to ride a bike if the weather is fine. I always use bike lane when its possible, actually I hate riding the street. A lot of streets are really narrow and polish car divers doesnt like much bike riders.
3.
"perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city" - impossible in Warsaw :))
It's hard question because i can't even imagine such thing. But if it worked, why not.
1. In my opinion, it's rare to find activists in my city who want to make city to be a better place to live. It is often their actions are in someone business, and ecology / social purposes are only masking for public relations goals.
2. I don't ride bicycles. I prefer rollers over bicycle for me is much more fun. I ride only on lane, it's only safe way. I don't feel comfortable on the street, even though I ride very well.
3. I'm using public transport every day. In Warsaw public transport is modern and well organised. Unfortunately, I love driving a car and I cannot imagine to giving up of a private car.
My father once told me, that when person has nothing to do he or she becomes an activist. I think that balance is always achievable by itself. For example in New York people use mostly metro because traffic jams are impossible. They have started developing some separate bike lanes and bus lanes all around the city. But they made it in a smart way. So do not listen to activists!
Jakub Brzostek said…
Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?

I feel ashamed but I've supported such initiatives only once. I think that it's really important to do that as well as do it wisely. We - as a community - know best what our needs are so we should support people who are trying to do more then just thinking and talking. But again - wisely!

How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?

In last season because of changing company I "had to" (not bad excuse for being lazy) skip bike riding but previously I was riding bike to work everyday ( 8 km each way!) and as long as it was possible I was trying to use bike paths.

Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organised and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?

As long as I'm a petrolhead I could not imagine letting the car go. It's not about the way of moving around the city but it as a toy. For me it's not even close to take it into consideration.
1. Do you support actions of city activists? Do you think that their ideas would make the city a better place to live?
I am very happy that there are people who are active in the cause of everyone's well-being. I think their role is very important. Of course, their ideas can make a city better. They live in it and are aware of the problems there are. It's good that there are such people and I hope that there will be more of them in the future.

2. How often do you ride a bicycle? Do you always use the bicycle lane if it’s available? If not, why?
I ride a bike very often. This is a great means of transport. Especially if there are traffic jams. The downsides are crowded trams and buses. You can't get on the bike because people look stupidly at you or draw attention to you.
Whenever I can I ride the bicycle path. I have a lot of them in the city and I think this is a big plus. Thanks to this I feel safer.

3. Would you consider giving up the comfort of a private car completely and only using public transport if it was free, perfectly organized and reaching absolutely all parts of the city?
Of course not. I love to drive a car. I have everything there: Hand cream, second jacket or shoes. The car is a great comfort and won't change that even if there is a better bus connection.

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