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Week 4 [05-11.11.18] Legal loopholes and taxes: The Montana Registration Plates on Exotic cars.

Its in our nature that we will seek out any advantages that we can get in our life to make it easier. Its also i our nature to look up and try to own nice valuable things, to get the fel of accomplishment when we spend money, a reward.
More often than not it all comes with steep price, unfortunately when it comes to Exotic cars the steep price comes twice in most cases not only u had to pay for the car itself there are other mandatory expenses that often come as percentage values of car’s value.
Bugatti Veyron source:Bugatti Site

Registration tax in most US states comes at a cost, the more valuable your car is the more registration tax you are gonna pay just to register your property. If you would like to register your 2015 Bugatti Veyron worth nowadays around 3.5 million USD in let's say state of California it would cost you around 280 000 USD for a license plate. In Montana on the other hand since there is no sales tax it would cost you around 1000 USD.

That’s why most of the exotic cars in the US are getting registered in Montana.

Just recently state of Georgia police started cracking on Georgians who do follow such practice.

Here is a video explaining most of the issue that Georgia is dealing with right now :





  • In your opinion who is at fault here, the state, car owners, maybe issue lies in between ?
  • Do you know any loopholes that give u advantage in Polish law ?
  • How do you feel about such post sale taxes ?
  • Is there any fault in mentioned LLC companies which made business out of such practice ?


Sources: AutotraderVinWiki ChannelWSB-TV Atlanta

Comments

While you could say that a person that is ok with spending a couple of millions dollars on a car should also be able to afford a tax of an another million, I would also add that taxes are vital part of an economical health. It only seems complex, in practice it has been proven working. And while most of the fraud schemes are obviously illegal, some of them are pretty legit. In my home country it is common to sell a demolished car for a thousand dollars just for its licence plates. The whole economy here is a huge mechanism with parts like buying capability, cashflow, "Healthy taxes", customer interest and so on. It is nobody's fault. Companies that make business out of loopholes in laws can do as they please as long as those actions are legit.
ExoKuzo said…
Well if its nobody's fault then why take such action ? Why make it a problem if we cant define where or who is at fault? Would u say its just a "cash grab" on behalf of state ?
In my opinion, it’s the state that’s at fault. While exploiting loopholes might be seen as immoral, it’s definitely not illegal — otherwise, it would be called a felony. Reducing your tax obligations is just reasonable business.

The 7% registration sale tax is crazy high in my opinion. States that enforce it would benefit more if they lowered it and encourage citizens to register their property locally. Instead, these states scare them away and, as a result, earn less money than expected.

As for loopholes in Polish law — well, even if I knew some, I wouldn’t share them with you. ;)
In your opinion who is at fault here, the state, car owners, maybe issue lies in between?
I think it is the state at fault.
Do you know any loopholes that give u advantage in Polish law?
No, I don't.
How do you feel about such post-sale taxes?
I feel like state/country is trying to earn money on whatever they can.
Is there any fault in mentioned LLC companies which made a business out of such practice?
I don't think so, they simply use the gap in the law.
I think that whole issue is the state fault. It is complicated situation, but in my opinion paying for registration with % value of the car is injustice. I am not sure how it is in US, but they probably have something similar to VAT tax, so anyone how bought a car have already paid a tax. Of course, lot of this exotic cars owners could probably easily afford such registration tax, but it is literally money for nothing. What make it worse that it depends on state governments, I can see clearly that people can fell angry when in state next to them it is constant cost.
I am not aware of such practices in Poland, but as I know it is very popular among ships on the sea. Like cars, ships have to be registered, and different countries have different cost of it. Therefore ship owners register them in “cheap countries” like Liberia, and whole issue is called Flag of convenience.
I think that such post sale taxes are extremely unfair, if they really want to introduce it, they shouldn’t enforce people who already registered it to do it again just because they can get enormous amount of money from tax.
I don’t think there is any fault of LLC companies, that wasn’t explicate illegal business.
Unknown said…
This definitely feels like the state's fault - the taxes that people have to pay for these cars are basically legal robbery. To me, it sounds like the state of Georgia does not want to acknowledge that it's their taxes that are at fault, not Montana's, and is trying to implement a bandaid solution that will only make the problem worse - taking care of everyone who registered a car in Montana will be a logistical nightmare and will most likely end up costing more money than the state will gain from it. In addition to that, the people taking advantage of it are not doing anything wrong - they are simply doing what the law allows them to do.
Unknown said…
Obvously it's state problem since everything that's not baned is allowed so it sould be okay.
For 3 years leaving in Poland never had a need to search for loopholes.
One more tax for beeing rich is kind of another way to equilize people not by ability but by sole existance that I think not good.
ExoKuzo said…
But interpreting it as a felony is what state just did. They pursue charges as felony and conspiration to defraud the state. Isn't that too much ?
ExoKuzo said…
You are right u pay taxes from your earnings then during buying procedure when u buy the car and then once again when trying to register it, so yes that "part of your income" was taxed 3 times already if not more.
ExoKuzo said…
Its not exactly limited to exotic cars though, everyone has to pay 7% tax or book value of the car they buy and its usually not even correct with reality, for example if u buy an used car for 55k$ it might have book value of 75k$ and from that value u will have to pay tax...
cezik said…
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I heard about it couple days ago. I'm not surprised by this. Imagine that you can save like 20k dollars just by doing so. But also i can't imagine how can you feel comfortable in a car that costs 500k and you cant afford another 20k just to register it. Like come on. Everyone knows that you cheaped off on registration. So imagine that you try to shake hand of another owner of Aventador and they refuse. Shame.
Unknown said…
I think that the state is guilty here. If people who have already bought an expensive car and paid tax, the license plate should be cheap. You should not pay tax twice for the same thing.

I do not know such gaps in Polish law, but I think that it is not worth looking for such things because it destroys the state. Simply everything should be made with common sense.

As for the last sub-point, I have no idea.
Unknown said…
I think the state is guilty for such big taxes, but I do not think it's a mistake. Uncivil people in the world are so disgustingly rich that for them 200000USD is pennies, and if you want to have an exotic car you have to pay a lot
The only gap in Polish law I know the records of a car for 2 people, eg me and my father, and then we get Dad's insurance.
I think that there is no error and everyone should continue to act as before.
Well, it's a robbery. Person buying such expensive cars propably pay their taxes, and for me it looks like goverment way to "take" as much money from the people as possible.

I don't know any loopholes in polish law, but I wouldn't search for them - in Poland law works backwards, so it might not be worth it
Unknown said…
From what I have heard in Poland there are also high prices for maintaining such a car, including insurance costs are very high. Answering the second question, very fast cars in Czech Republic are registered very often from Poland to save lots of money on car insurance for example.
It's hard to point the guilty in this situation, but the position of the state is very sad, spending such money on the car, nobody want to pay such huge money to the state for nothing ... I think that if you buy such a car for such a price country should reduce the percentage of tax which citizen would have to pay for a supercar.
I am not convinced that this company is committing a crime, it certainly helps these people to save money. If I would live in such a country, I think that I would use the services of LLC.
ExoKuzo said…
Isn't that "Law applies backwards when it suits the country" notion mind blowing?
Unknown said…
1. In my opinion it is a state’s problem, people who are registering cars in a state where they actually don’t live or work do not break the law. They are just using aforementioned loopholes to save significant amount of their money.
2. Few years ago there was a real boom in Poland on registering passenger cars as trucks to be be entitled VAT tax deduction on car purchase, fuel and repair. I think that currently the deduction is limited to only 50 %. Another strategy which is similar to the one mentioned in the video is registering luxurious cars in Czech Republic. The mechanism is almost the same as in the article. People from Poland open LLCs by themselves or by brokers and move their expensive cars into those LLCs. The reason is that in Poland when buying a car with engine capacity larger than 2 litres 18,6 % excise tax is added, which is not a case in any other EU country.
3. I find these post sales taxes very unfair, as it was mentioned in the comments above when buying a car you have to pay VAT tax, moreover in many countries (i.e. Poland) tax is a significant part of the fuel price you pay at a gas station.
4. Once again “"Everything which is not forbidden is allowed" principle applies and those companies do not break the law. However they are making money on the actions which are unethical and morally questionable.
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