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Week 6 (20.04-26.04) Driving license regulations

In Poland if you are willing to become a car driver you ought to be at least 17y9m old to take up a category B driver’s license course consisting a total of 60 hours lectures and city driving with an instructor. Afterwards you have to take up theoretical and practical test at WORD. If you succeed, you officially become a full-fledged driver.  It’s not the only righteous pattern to achieve a driving license applied to the rest of the world, some of them are quite the opposite of what we’re used to. For instance, if you’re living in Canada you are entitled to obtain a license permit after completing a written test when you’re 14, for next four years you’re able to gain experience by driving with an accompanying owner of an unrestricted license until you become a fully licensed driver.

Rules in Poland are quite inconsistent. In comparison to cat. B candidates, people who would like to become motorcycle drivers have to be owners of cat. A2 license for at least 2 years, therefore you can’t ride real motorcycles until you are 20yo and if you have never owned A2 license you have to be at least 24yo. These rules, introduced in early 2013, are in my opinion populist (based on fear generated by the media) and were set to generate more income to the WORDs. To point out the contrast: government has no problems letting citizens operate 3.5 tons of metal and polymers after 30 hours of training. To be clear, I am not implying that representatives should exacerbate the restrictions.

Furthermore, if you’re already a car driver and you wish to ride a bike you are forced to go through a full course all again and take up both exams. Things couldn’t have been any simpler in the USA, one should pay 20$ and take up a practical test the same day by passing a slalom on a skid pad.

On the other hand if we compare Polish to English costs of preparing a young student to taking up exams we’ll come up to a conclusion that we pay up to 6 times less unless we divide costs by the minimum wage, which is 6 times higher in UK.

Also pass rates vary significantly depending on a country. In Poland the pass rate of the practical exam is just below 25% comparing to ~43% in UK. I myself passed the practical test the second time (it turns out that the motorists who take the driving test twice are the safest on the road: http://tnij.org/thj10jz). How many times did you take up your driving tests?

There are as many approaches to the obtaining driver’s license as countries, but I strongly believe that there is much to improve in Polish regulations.






Comments

Unknown said…
Are you sure there are 60 hours of theoretical lectures? When I was doing my license I remember I had a choice to go for a course for 5 days for about 3-4 hours a day or just for a weekend for about 8-10 hours a day. And then I had to drive for 30 hours.

I my opinion it's cool that in United States or Canada you can drive your own car on an exam, I think it's less stressful then.

Anyway I passed my exam the second time (theoretical one on the first try, because I feel that it's pretty impossible to fail that one) but I don't think I was ready to drive after only 30 hours of practice. I've never had an accident and now I think I'm a confident and a good driver but I truly learned how to drive when I started to drive by myself later on. I guess that it isn't wrong that driving tests are so hard to pass, it's better to put only ready drivers on the road.
IzabelaSzumen said…
Save us from comparisons to the realities of the USA. quantity, quality and width of the roads that are out there allows to drive at a constant speed, without road wrestling which is so popular in Europe :) that is why there is e.g the law which allows for the alcohol content in the blood can be two times higher than in Europe.
IzabelaSzumen said…
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I stared for five minutes at the sentence "people who would like to become motorcycle drivers have to be owners of cat." before I read further and realised it's an abbreviation of a "category" and not a feline xD

I passed my exam the third time. However, I haven't driven for years and would probably need to re-take the course if I were to begin driving again, just to make sure I remember anything :P. Driving in Warsaw terrifies me - the drivers are really unfriendly if you're a beginner and the traffic is really intense.

However, I'm glad I already have my license - I've heard the theoretical tests have become harder now, and you have to renew your exam after some time? On the one hand, it makes sense to me, on the other - I was worried sick before the exam, all that waiting in WORD and not knowing when they'll call you - so I'm glad I don't have to repeat that.
Unknown said…
Couple years ago I tried the theoretical exam and failed. I hated how all the questions have had to be known by heart to be answered later on during the test.

Now they introduced those new tests which are not available to the community, meaning course attendees don't know the questions and answers. After introducing this new way of testing future drivers, the exam was said to be unrealisticly hard to pass.

I still don't own a driver license. Maybe I will do it here, in Poland, or maybe I will try to obtain one outsite Poland? Where is better?

The truth is that government is trying to deceive us at every possible aspect and that includes obtaining a driving license as well. I don't believe that they're seriously trying to make us better drivers. How on earth is that possible to remember all those things required for a theoretical test which are very detailed and no one even remembers it after passing the exam. Barely anybody will become a professional driver after examination process at WORD without taking any special courses and practice driving a professional racing car, I believe. Anyway I like the way of learning and passing an exam in the UK. What you need to do in the event of learning is to buy a sticker for 1£ and buy specific insurance for those who are under process of learning. Whenever you decide to take an exam you take an exam which is a way better than in Poland in my opinion.
Anonymous said…
Some time ago I heard that obtaining driving license in Ukraine is quite simple if you have enough money, then legalise it here.

I passed the theoretical exam by first time but I didn't like to learn all these rules by heart, I didn't know them during practical part of the course(I failed internal theoretical test at the driving school), I just knew how to behave on the street naturaly. It would be nightmare to me if I had to learn those rules right now.



Anonymous said…
I haven't been driving for years too and forgot almost all the rules. You don't need to retake whole course, few hours with the instructor should do the job. I would be scared of driving in the downtown too.
Anonymous said…
I haven't been driving for years too and forgot almost all the rules. You don't need to retake whole course, few hours with the instructor should do the job. I would be scared of driving in the downtown too.
Anonymous said…
Exactly, legal thefts(taxes) and fees everywhere. Lately, I became interested in a process of car purchase. Buyer have to pay tax for becoming richer(now he has more valuable goods) and seller for making some money.
Unknown said…
The topic of driving license regulations is unfamiliar for me because I don’t have my own driving license and that won’t change soon. I’m a little afraid of driving a car especially in Warsaw because this is like in the movie “fast and furious”. I’m not up to date with some new regulations because everything is changing too fast.
Unknown said…
Sometimes when I drive I get a feeling that it is still too easy to get a driving license in Poland. I often wonder if some drivers do not know the driving code, or do not have imagination, or are simply idiots. Don’t you feel the same way?
Unknown said…
I also passed my driving exam at second approach. We live in a wild country so I’m not shocked with those weird A category regulations. I don’t know the statistics but I assume that car drivers are safer during collision with motorcycle. So to me there is no logical reason for 3 types of A category.
Unknown said…
I don't have driving licence... Because I feel that - firstly I don't need and secondly I feel not enough mature for this. For me regulations in Poland are good but not everyone should have to do it.
Unknown said…
I think rules you have described can be a little harsh, especially for motorcycle drivers. However, I think it is good, that they are hard. Having a driving license should be a privilege, not an obligation.
I'm glad that there are some regulations about driving license, because otherwise probably people without any preparation to driving could cause more car accidences on road. Now still they are cases that people without any preparation are driving a car but still the percentage is lower than it would be without any regulations. I also think that driving test are quite easy and I don't understand people who are complaining that is hard to pass driving test and they even cannot pass maneuvering around 5-6 times... which is quite pathetic for me. In my opinion they are just unprepared to the test and this main reason I understand that maybe some examiner might just want to fail some person, because he got such caprice, but usually they are regular friendly people like us and they work is to examine people.
Unknown said…

I have never heard about rules in Kanada, but it seems to be a reasonable idea in my opinion. I think as you that there is much to improve in Polish regulations. But I think that is everywhere.
I passed my exam the third time. Initially I was driving many time, but after that I stopped do it- after my parents accident. Now I drive rather seldom, but I drive always when I can. I’m not from Warsaw, so I don’t have a car in this place, but when I go HOME I strive to drive more and more. I really like to drive.
Unknown said…
Are you sure that is 60 hours? When i wos taking drive lessons i have got 30 hours mandatory drive lessons. Of course I had to buy a few extra lessons becouse i don`t pass exams at first try. I start my drive curse in Gliwice and my first exam i took in Rybnik. Next i try pass exam at Warsaw on Radarowa street and this exam i pass.
I have never heard about exams in Kanada, i my opinion it is interesting idea but i dont think that check out in Poland.
Unknown said…
Well, I had one exam at driving school and then final one to get my driving licence. I think theoretical one was the easiest :) I cannot imagine how someone can fail it, but practical one can be difficult to pass, especially here in Ukraine. Because you have to drive old cars(in not very good condition), such as Lada 099 and so on, so you have to be really good driver :D

Here is a very funny video about Malaysian women's racing champion passes driving exam :
https://youtu.be/WaAu4L2cl4c
I don’t have any problems with polish driving license regulation, because I already have a this document probably  I think you can find as many supporters as opponents of this law. I’m glad that I made my license for motorcycle when I was 18, year later I could only A2. A2 is not a motorcycle.
Unknown said…
We can improve many things in Poland (tax rates, education, goverment.. :P)
With driving lessons i see one, major problem - those lesson learn how to pass an exam (not how to drive).
I failed my exam on first attempt - but second one was completed succesfully :)
Michal Kulesza said…
Getting my driving license wasn't hard - I took exam on winter - it was funny to slide a bit during the exam.

Also new rules aren't that hard. My brother did study for this and he passed with first try. It's harder but not impossible to pass. It contains some kind of 'IQ test' - and I believie it's really good to check if people do have common sense before they will drive car.

Now I drive car on daily basis and I'm not scared to drive downtown - as some of you mentioned above. It's just the matter of time to get used to people and to learn some concepts of defensive driving (expect unexpected!)
Mateusz Frycie said…
I drive my car every single day. Sometimes I spend more time in it than at home, or in my bed:) It's pretty sick for me to loose so much time in traffics but we're living in a big city.

I've done my driving licence in a small town. It was during summer holidays - with a group of friends we were living in my house at the country side. Chillin and doing driving course:)
Unknown said…
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Anonymous said…
I can imagine: metal tin with slippery clutch and falling out of gear transmissions are on the agenda.

Regading video: those instructors lived through their worst professional nighmare.
Anonymous said…
Wouldn't be faster to travel by public transportation? I don't like PT but it might be just better solution, to work by metro and drive for pleasure ; ).
Julia Osiak said…
I hate how the process of getting your driving licence looks in Poland. The constant changes in the regulations, and making the exams harder to pass while not preparing better drivers... To me it all looks like one big money making scheme that has nothing to do with road safety... Maybe the current theoretical exam is slightly better but I still wouldn't say that WORDs are giving out licences to well prepared people...
rf. said…
Driving license regulations... well, laws tend to be quite complicated or unpractical at the first sight, sometimes as a result of previous usefulness of some idea. I do agree with Filip, that 'driving license should be a privilege, not an obligation'. On the other hand, safety on the road affect every participant and I've seen many more clueless pedestrians in Warsaw than pirate drivers...
rf. said…
You've misplaced your comment I guess :)
Unknown said…
I passed my driving license test the first time and everybody was so amazed. I didn't find it difficult, but to this day (it's been three years now) I am a little afraid of driving in the city when it is crowded and completely terrified of turning left. I am thinking of getting some extra lessons just to make tgis fear go away:)
I think that it is a very good idea to allow underage people to drive with a supervisor two years prior to taking the test. It is very wise, you learn for free from an experienced driver and you gain the confidence, which is very necessary.
I also think that it would be a good idea to establish an age limit for driver's licence and test the elderly if they can still manage to drive properly. It is a good think that now we get licences for a maximum of 15 years, but the old ones don't have an expiration date.
I would like to tell you something about renewing your license - a process I was going through two weeks ago. If you want to make it quick - you have to go to a private doctor (medycyna pracy). The visit consists of blood check for glucose level, an appointment with an ophthalmologist and finally the main visit. Everything takes about an hour, requires a lot of paperwork and you get a copy of doctor's permission form. The doctor decides for how long you will get your next license. The cost is about 200 zl. Then you have to pay another 100 zl for your new license (and also for a photo, if you don't have one), fill in the form, attach 847374 attachments, survive severe looks from the office workers and apply at the city council. Then you wait another 3-4 weeks and get the license. For more than 3 years - if you're lucky.
rf. said…
This is a really nice video :)
MartaSB said…
Of course, it would be great if they would think a bit longer about the driving licence regulations and make this part of law better, but I think that they have a lot to think about already... :) I got my driver's licence at the first attempt, but I think most of failed practical tests are totally unfair. It really helps to have a reasonable examiner.
Unfortunately I never attended the course for driving license exam - didn't have money for it when I was 18 and then I started working and studying and I don't have time. Because of that I don't have much to say about the regulations.
Unknown said…
My driving test I was 6 years ago and I passed it the first time :) I remember that the theoretical part was very easy because all the questions and answers were publicly known. It is much harder to pass the practical part. I know that since then a lot has changed and it is harder to pass the theory test.

I believe that the regulations on driving licenses are necessary. However, not all records improve safety. I think that the biggest problem in Poland are courses for driving test. These courses do not teach how to drive but how to pass the exam
Unknown said…
I've driven a car a lot since I started working in a new company near Blue City. There are a lot of horrible drivers on Poland roads. I'm trying to be an exemplary driver. It's hard to say anything more on this topic.
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Unknown said…
I've passed both categories A and B on the first exam I've taken, but I have to admit that I've been driving a car since I was 12 (firstly only in small villages, but then when I was about 16 I used to go to the shops etc. by car). Thanks to that I have to admit that I'm a really good driver. I've recently heard something about some other new restrictions, that new drivers will have to have stickers on the front of the car informing that they're not experienced drivers or that if they collect 3 traffic fines in the first months of owning the driving license, they'll have to pass the exam again. I'm pretty glad that I avoided all these weird new restrictions.
Unknown said…
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Yes, nowadays it is not easy to acquire a driving license, but is it bad that way?
I think that because of a much harder (at least in comparison to the previous one) theory test and pretty expensive cost (each time you feel you have to pay for an exam, be it theoretical or practical) it may be a good way to turn off bad drivers or people who just shouldn't be allowed to drive.
Sometimes when I see people driving who passed the old driving license test I can't wrap my head around their driving, they clearly ignore or do not know the law.
Speaking of law, I actually think that the driving regulations are among the clearest and well designed in our law system, but that is just my opinion.
Unknown said…
I have driving license for 7 years (b cat)- I passed just after my 18th birthday with first approach. I am glad to hear there are many restrictions. Please note that 3,5 tons of metal isn't such fast and dangorous like motorcycle. This is my own opinion - the driver's one. I don't watch TV. This is great that A cat. isn't so easy to get. Belive me. 24 years old is proper age to start with "real" motorcycle - the man is much more responsible. To ride motorcycle you need practice and brain :D. I don't like idiiots who ride 200 km/h through the city with "go pro" cam - this is quite big community.
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