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Week 3 [25-31.03] Life of a fugitive – “Shantaram” by Gregory David Roberts




           I recently read a book called Shantaram written by Gregory David Roberts. The book is his autobiography showing everyday struggles in India where he is trying to find his own way of living and finding a purpose of life. The author at the age of 26 years old was convicted for a bank robbery and sentenced to 20 years in prison. The book starts when he arrived  in India hiding from the government using a different name – Lindsay Ford, because he escaped from prison with this friend.







           In the past Lin was addicted to heroin and all he could think of was  how to get the money for the next dose. He robbed small shops and people what placed him in prison in the first place. In that prison he was beaten and humiliated on many occasions. He couldn’t live like that and knew that it would get him killed soon. He escaped to India where most of the time he spent in a bar called Leopold where he met all new faces in the town. As a foreigner  who didn’t know the language he was attacked once when he lost all his belongings and had no place to live. His friends were able to rent a place in slums where he was a first aid doctor. He loved living there as it was different from a normal life. Everyone knew each other,  the police didn’t come there, so he was safe from the government and he felt like he was a part of a big community where everyone felt like family. After a while,  he started working for an Indian mafia whose boss was an old guy called Kadirbaj. He was responsible for faking passports, money trafficking. He found love of his life and settled down but after a while something happened. He was asked to go on a different mission to another country to  help Kadirbaj’s family. A lot of people from mafia went there but only 3 of them came back. After that  event everything changed.





Lin’s group was slowly narrowing as others died or left trying to find a better life somewhere else. Lin started to question his methods of living as he was earning money by faking documents and it was still illegal and everyone in his surrounding was disappearing. He felt like he should change something and he went to a place called a mountain where he learnt from a philosopher. He tried to stop making the same mistakes that got him into prison in Australia and find a purpose in his life. When he was talking with a philosopher about god and what is good or what is evil he realized that the only thing that could save him was to stop fighting and use fear as the main weapon against everyone in his surroundings. After a few years from writing this book he went to prison to spend the rest of his sentence there and now he is a free man still living in India.


Source: https://www.abercrombiekent.com/tours/wings-over-the-world/2019/private-charter-flights-india-luxury

           I have tried not to spoil the book for those who want to read it afterwards so it’s only some facts that took place in it. After reading this book, I came to a conclusion that as a fugitive we live in fear, always looking behind our shoulder for anyone who might know who we are. That constant fear changes us. Having read the book we can see what Lin was struggling with and what was important in his life. This book is a perfect example showing that everyone who has a power of will and desire to change their life can make it happen. I highly recommend reading this book for everyone who is still trying to find their way in the world or just is unhappy, it might really help you see a bigger picture.


Source: https://www.amazon.com/


Questions:
1. Do you think that every person can change?
2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?
3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?
4.  Are you planning to visit India?

Comments

1. Yes. Everyone who realised that his live does not look like it should deserve a second chance. No one is lost forever and if someone decides to repair all damage he’s responsible for, he should find forgiveness. This is not only a rule of Christianity, but in my opinion, one of the basics of morality. I also think that there are no people that are bad by default.

2. No, I have never heard of this book before.

3. No, I have never met such person.

4. I am not planning to visit India in the near future, but I would really like to do so, and I’ll consider that while planning the vacation.
Ewelina said…
1. Yes of course. In my opinion, Everyone changes from time to time (contractually 7 years) We change our attitude, thinking and sometimes even beliefs. That what we experience shapes us and changes us in a certain way.
2. I never heard about this book and I didn't read it.
3. Unfortunately I don't know.
4. I would love it, but it will not happen soon
Anna Koca said…
1. Do you think that every person can change?

I believe that people can change but only under the influence of a very strong experience. We can also work on ourselfves, and keep trying to be better, and if someone really want to change, it can happen.

2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?

I have never heard of this book until now. I put it on my list of books to read.

3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?

No, I know one person who was in jail, but after getting out he was a normal person, who tried to live normally. Of course his demons were haunting him for some time, but he managed to break up with the dark past and tried to live normally.

4. Are you planning to visit India?

Yes, I would love to go there, but I'm a little bit scared of the sanitary conditions there.
1. Do you think that every person can change?
I think that we just should to have a point how other people can think and feel after our behaviour , very often we forgot to think abut others and its very easy to hurt someone . If we will be god to others, others will thank us in the same way.
2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?
No I didn't, on each way. But it's look nice so , maybe some day if I will have some time I will read it.
3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?
Unfortunately yes, I know some persons , which I can call like bad persons and spent a lot of their life in prison, but I don't need to have a contact with them, of course if someone changed and now is a good person , it's ok. Everybody deserve for a chance.
4. Are you planning to visit India?
Yes, but for some years, now am planning to visit Columbia and Ethiopia
Bartosz Barnat said…
Thank you for your comment Marcin. I agree with your statement and reading this book I just made sure I was right. Everyone can flip their lives around when they want it. I highly recommend reading this video so you will see how the person lived and what paths he crossed. It's really eye opening.
Bartosz Barnat said…
Thank you for your comment. I agree with your statement and I think people change all the time from the beginning of their lives till the end and people with who we are surrounding have heavy impact on how our life will look.
Bartosz Barnat said…
I agree with you that strong experience have big influence in out change and it's hard to do it just by saing "I will change right now this and that". I don't know anyone that was in prison but I think people who left it have really hard time finding a job and just start living again.
Bartosz Barnat said…
Thank you for your comment. I agree that everyone deserves a second chance and we should treat others like we would want to be treated. If some people would just change their mentality to this type of thinking it would stop so many accidents and jail time cases.
1. Do you think that every person can change?

Of course, every person can change. In fact, each of us changes throughout our lives. Some for the better, others for worse. Everyone can work harder and harder to achieve their goals with more or less difficulty.

2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?

Unfortunately, I have never found this book, but I am sure that I will be looking forward to this title as soon as I have a free moment. It's a little sad that people are less and less often reading books...

3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?

No I do not know. I suspect that if I meet someone like that on my way, I would try to have the least amount of contact with such a person. Familiarity with a person who does not want to change often brought more problems to life than good.

4. Are you planning to visit India?

Sadly, not in the near future(masters degree D:), but later, surely! I have read many adventurous books in my chilhood and since I was 8 I have dreamed about travelling to foregin countries, especially in Asia or Africa!
I think that it is possible for a person to change but it is not that simple. I think that some kind of big situation that had huge impact on someone’s life or believes may lead to changing this human personality. But this is only in extreme situations and changing our-selves just because we want to is much harder to achieve or sometimes even impossible. Unfortunately, I have never heard about this book before but someday maybe I will read it. I have never met anyone who was in prison earlier or at least I don’t know about it. About visiting India, I think it may be very awesome adventure and I’m sure that in future I will visit India, just don’t know when yet.
Nataliya Tkach said…
1. Do you think that every person can change?
I think everyone can change, someone more , someone less, but I think most often we are influenced by certain events, we do not notice that we are not what they were a year ago.

2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?
I had heard the name once or even friends advised me.

3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?
I don't know anyone like that. I think it's necessary to judge a man whether he's bad or not from the action that put him in prison. We can't say that the maniac who killed 15 people is a normal person.

4. Are you planning to visit India?
Like most I want to visit all countries of the world.
1. In my opinion - yes. Every person can change. Some change for the better, others for worse.

2. Nope, but this book looks very interesting. Maybe I borrow one?

3. Nope.

4. Visiting India... Hmm very hard decision. I never thought about India. For now, I'd like visit other countries, like USA, Japan or South Korea.
ExoKuzo said…
Every person can change, but claiming that they did before we check or assuming so, leads to many problems. I know couple of convicts that have been "reformed" by their experiences in jail, truth is in the end nothing changed.
It would be nice to visit India one day just for the sake of seeing their cities by my own eyes, i heard food is great and unique too (as we would expect from country famous for spice). Might even do it in the near future as my work might require me to go to India for a "business oriented trip" might stay a little longer there afterwards.
1.
Person can change but nature of a person still remains the same. This is not a trivial question and can't be answered in a few sentences.
2.
No but it seems interesting.
3.
No. It depends who you are. When one's just a drug addict who made a mistake and end up in prison, it can change one forever in very bad way. If one's a criminal, one will remain criminal after being release. At least in Poland.
4.
Not sure. I'm not really fan of this culture
Peter Clemenza said…
1. Do you think that every person can change?
No, for some persons it's impossible. Like for example when they don't have any other option to gather something (food) they have to steal it.

2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?
No, I have never heard of it.

3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?
Yes i know such person, he isn't generally a stereotypical bad person. He was raised in a bad conditions. His father was sentenced,
so was his grandfather, and so he is walking the same path.

4. Are you planning to visit India?
Mayby, but it's not generally a best place to visit. Especially those India's designated popping streets, where because
of lack of toilets people can do their best. India is the lead country in open defecation, with near half of
the population not using toilets in order to defecate.
1. Do you think that every person can change?
I'm not sure about that. You would ask why? There are a lot of people having mindset that could not be changed. These are old people, for example, my granny. Sometimes she is so confident enough about some things that you can not change her opinion. But if we talk about young generation, i think, that every person can be changed.
2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?
I have never heard about this book and i have never read it. I'm not interesting in that type of books, i find them useless, it is just a waste of time.
3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?
I don't know anyone who spent time in prison and i hope, that i would not be surrounded by people, who were in prison.
4. Are you planning to visit India?
No, i don't like India. My friend told me a lot about this country and i know a lot about people who are from India, so i don't want to visit India.
Maciej Sadoś said…
1. Do you think that every person can change?

In my opinion it is possible for anyone to change in some way. Like Nataliya said some people would change more and some less. Sometimes it depends on how
much effort we put into it and how much we want to change, but sometimes not
everything depends on us. However deep changes often require a long and difficult journey, connected with many abnegations and a lot of self-discipline. So the hardest part of changing is not giving up. Unfortunately in the real world scenarios very deep changes rarely take place.

2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?

I haven’t heard about the book before but you made me really interested in it and I put it on my “to read” list. The fact that the book is based on facts makes it even more intriguing. A combination of an interesting plot with a possibility to learn something about other culture and it’s criminal world from firsthand makes this something I would definitely like to know.

3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?

Actually two of my neighbors were in prison but fortunately they aren’t stereotypical bad people. After leaving a prison they are leading a normal life and they have never committed a crime anymore. For sure they had some problems afterwards especially with finding a job, but somehow they managed to do so. Anyway I think almost everybody deserve a second chance.

4. Are you planning to visit India?

As I said in some other comment I love travelling and India is definitely worth seeing, but it is not on the first place on my list.
1. Up to a certain degree, yes
2. No, I have not. In fact, I am not reading as much as I would like. Hope to fix this soon
3. I don't know how in the world, but in former USSR, Ukraine in particular, a person that got a sentence in prison also in fact gets a life sentence with a "Criminal" mark, as a person that was in prison cannot later find a job, sometimes even get married, buy property, in short -- live a normal life. The situation is so dreadful that those who were proven false convicted get their criminal histories reset. Like all mentions of their sues and charges get removed, so that this person can still find a job, etc, etc.
4. I would like to see the world at all. India included.
1. Yes, and I think that everyone changes whether they like it or not.
2. no, but I think I will read.
3. I met someone who was in prison but in my opinion he is not a bad person.
4. so far I do not have such a plan but maybe someday.
1. Do you think that every person can change?
I think that every person can change, but they need a lot of help from other people. If someone realize that he/she totally messed up their lives and have an urge to change it, people around should help them. It’s more valuable to support change in someone then to deprecate them for life.
2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?
Unfortunately, I didn’t, but it seems eye-opening.
3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?
I don’t know anyone who spent time in prison. But I know my friend who for most of his life was involved in heavy drugs, alcohol, living day to day. He lost his eyesight in the motor accident – it was caused by him. Ironically, he said it was eye-opening for him, because he revaluated his life choices and became a new person. He became really inspiring person who is sharing with everyone with his experience.
4. Are you planning to visit India?
I’m not keen about India, so I’m not going to visit India.
Anyone can change. It is very difficult and requires a long time, thanks to which many people opt out of change from convenience. A change of character is possible, but it is simply very difficult.

I didnt read this book :(

I know a few people who were in prison, but I do not know anyone stereotyped. In my opinion, there is no such thing as a stereotypical man just as there is no statistical person. It is possible that cases are very similar, but not exactly as it is presented.

Who knows, maybe someday. At the moment I don't plan such a trip.
Adam Nguyen said…
I strongly believe that people can change. People act the way they do as a result of convictions and beliefs they have formed about life and themselves. Their world view can occasionally change (perhaps for better or worse) and they have to adapt to new environment

No, I’ve never heard about it before, I haven't read it.

No, I don’t know anyone who has spent time in prison.

I don’t have any plans but, I would love to visit India in the near future.
In my opinion, people can only change from outside, they can change their attitude, look, the way they see things but they can't change their grit. I have never heard about that book before and I don't know anyone who was in prison. I would like to go to the Inda just because I love their cuisine but I'm aware of their culture and sanitary conditions.
Yana Lytvynenko said…
A person cannot change himself, especially cardinally. But he can change his vision of the world and the attitude to what is happening around him. We all change throughout our lives as a result of the experience gained and broadening our horizons. So if a person, at one moment, realizes that something is not comfortable with him or that which is around him and wants to change it. . This does not mean that he is changing, we remain the same people only with a new attitude to the same things. This book is very popular and I have heard about it more than once, but I did not read it (too many books :))) But I myself didn’t meet people who had to be in prison, but always try not to hang labels on people. I plan to travel and discover the world for myself (again for changing myself and my views) and countries like India are especially interesting. After all it is so curious to look at the life and of the relationship to the world of completely different cultures. Because only with our new ideas and discoveries of something new will we be able to fully understand what we really want from life.
s18716 said…
This is a very cool coincidence, because the desire to visit India, I had just after reading the first book (I mean Shantaram). But it has again faded away, although there is a chance that it may re-erupt after reading a similarly wonderful book or reading good material about this country.
It seems to me that with regard to the situation with the main character, and if we project it into real life, I would say that a person has a tendency to change.
But here the question is different. This person was changing due to life circumstances and he was aware of the changes taking place. Either someone wanted to change it. I think the second option is the least successful. Since changes in a person should take place in a natural way.
s18716 said…
And by the way, I still have not read the Shadow of the Mountain, but in the plans ...
Bartosz Barnat said…
As you said, when person do not want to change its important to just let them go and stop any contant with them. They might just poison your life with their problems and thoughts so I agree with you 100 %.
Bartosz Barnat said…
I agree with you that a big change in someone's life is really hard to acomplish. When it comes to a book it was really popular like a year before, thats why I started reading it and to be honest Im not disapointed.
Bartosz Barnat said…
I agree with you and I think that every situation changes us piece by piece and sometimes its hard to know what is good or bad because what gives you right to do something cruel like for example kill someone even though that person might kill you and so on.
Anton Medvediev said…
1. Do you think that every person can change?

Yes, I think people can change, but it depends on person. It could happen or it could not. Person should want to change and have solid willpower. Of course, everyone deserves the second chance, but not the third one, because if situation repeats again and again there is no sense to give more chances to change, because person does not want to change, maybe even does not need it.

2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?

Unfortunately, I did not, but the plot is interesting, I think I will read it in the future.

3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?

No, I do not know such people.

4. I have not planned to visit India yet, but once I hope to visit this country.
1. Yes I think that every person can change but this is very hard to do. I think that people can change only after they experience some kind of big event in their live, sometimes they only need to change their environment. Mot people that think that they changed, changed only temporary and after some time they will return to their old habits.
2. No I didn’t hear about this book and I didn’t read it’s just not my type of book
3. Nope
4. No I don’t. Yes it look nice in movies and photos but it’s far, overcrowded, smelly, if you eat something local you will can get diarrhea and you can also catch some funny sounding disease that will make you safer a lot and maybe even kill you and I like hamburgers…
1. Do you think that every person can change?
We all change our behaviour, as we learn. That implies even an old fool can change. Does our personality ever change? I remain unconvinced.
2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?
It’s on the list. I’ll get to it eventually.
3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?
I now people who where incriminated but not for 20 years! Just what did he steal? Anyway, they made mistakes. Being a bad or good person is a sliding scale, mostly defined by how many mistakes you made and how often you took the effort to do what you know is right.
4.  Are you planning to visit India?
No. Their theology is fascinating but I'm probably better of reading about it than taking a tourist trip. There are places farther up the list.
Bartosz Barnat said…
Thank you for your comment. When I will get it back from other person I can lend you one ;).
Bartosz Barnat said…
Yeah I know what you mean. Had the same situation many times in my life... Some people just cant change and we shouldnt count on it.
Bartosz Barnat said…
I agree with you about first question. This is not that trivial to answer and its really hard topic even to talk about for some individuals.
Bartosz Barnat said…
But its impossible not because they cant but because they simply dont want to change. I guess we could say their nature is stronger ;p. I agree that India is not the best place to visit, I guess we can say its one of the dangerous ones to visit. I would love to visit it some day but right now I won't just because everyone I talk to about this say that this place is full of garbage and people just want to steal from you but as I said its only their thoughts about this.
Bartosz Barnat said…
Yes I agree with you, young people have a little bit different mentality and they are always trying new things and still can learn anything. Old people in the other hand have belief that they know everything, they are the best and they cant learn anything from younter than them. I hate to say but their mentality is really weird and I hate talking to them about new things because they just cant get it to be honest.
Bartosz Barnat said…
Thank you for your comment.
Illia Lukisha said…
1. Do you think that every person can change?
I have personal theory that only certain people under certain circumstances can changes, most of the people never change even when then claim that they are.

2. Did you hear about this book or read it yourself?
I heard a lot about this book, it's like bestseller in many countries. But I never wanted to read it.

3. Do you know anyone who spent time in prison and he is a stereotypical bad person?
No I didn't. I don't have such stereotype.

4. Are you planning to visit India?
Yes I do. But this is not top country from the list of countries I plan to visit.
1. I believe every person can change, it is very hard to predict how will they change- but I think anyone can change.
2. I did not but it sounds interesting.
3. No, I never had an opportunity to meet anyone who had any kind of sentence.
4. I would love to visit India one day, their culture is very interesting.

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