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The other problem which is also real imo and it's mentioned by the Dan Pena in the video is that in most countries like France, UK or USA people are overacting lately. For example in Poland there is no problem if women wants to become programmer and still there is ton of manifests and actions like "Dziewczyny do Polibudy", while no need for it. Actions like "Me too" in some cases was just move for attention. I guess that I might be attacked now by some girl in that course, but that's just my opinion - in Poland if you want to become someone your sex will not make it easier/harder ( I'm not counting sports, we shouldn't compare it). Same thing with religion or race.
Why we have society like this? I don't know, maybe humans just need to have some problems to solve, even if there is no problem.
I disagree with your opinion on things like "Dziewczyny do Polibudy". I've worked with a woman colleague in our IT deparment and I've seen how people react towards working with men and women. Women in IT are not treated as experienced or as trustworthy as men. And they know that, I've discussed it few times with my colleague. Just by looking what is the ratio of men to women in technically oriented universities shows that we have a problem that needs attention. I'm really happy this generation finally sees it and does something about it.
And I disagree with you even more on "Me too" movement. I think our (older) generation kept this kind of offensive behavior towards women as a norm for far too long. And I'm glad that women now have strength and bravery to speak up about it. I support this movement. I think a lot of men are just ashamed of their behavior and they want to avoid discussion it. Or they are happy with how the things are. And we need to speak about it.
In Poland, due to violance at homes around 500 women die each year. Around 90.000 people (90% of them being women or kids) are victims of domestic violance. There are statistics about rapes in Poland which claim we might have around 200 rapes every single day, 95% of them not being reported at all because of fear and shame. Those statistics are scary. Try to imaging you have a daughter, what would you feel if you knew there is 33% chance she will sexually harassed at school and 15% chance she will be actually raped? I had some first hand reports about how young men are treating girls at school with too many teachers turning a blind eye on it.
That's why we need movements like "Me Too". To show that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated. That we dispise those men who act violently towards women. And our sociaty can give all people equal chance for both career and normal life regardless of their gender.
I remember the old days. My dad used to disciplin me with a leather belt if I made something I shouldn't - this was kind of punishment everyone considered normal. You could beat your kid with a belt while it cried. I don't really hold it against my dad now, but I definitelly think this kind of behavior should not be accepted and tolerated. So when an older guys shouts how men these days are "cunts" and cowards for not willing to beat someone to death for spitting, this is just ridiculous to me. We don't want to go back to those days.
Of course people should have courage and self-esteem to stand up for themselves - I'm not advocating for "getting soft". But being strong does not mean you need to be violent.
First video was much more to my liking and actually I like the conclusion of it. We have gone too much into "victim culture". We need to listen to people and we want people to have courage to stand up for themselves and to speak up when they are wronged. But there are too many who think only victims have the right to speak up and only victims are able to understand the problem they faced. Everyone should have the right to discuss and talk about problems we face and we can't get offended just because someone has a different opinion then us. People need to look for compromise more and less to "be right".
Now, more and more young people search for psychology or psychiatric help which wasn't common or even considered as weird some years ago. I dont judge, just trying to conclude that people are more senstive as they used to be and mentally weaker in everyday life situation.
I am not saying that all young people are snowflakes but for sure there is more and more of them. There is a saying that hard times create strong men and based on modern society, their behaviour and fact that we are living in freedom - I couldn't agree more.
What do we mean by the term ‘strong men’?
Is it the man who just go around showing off that he is strong and the others are snowflakes or those who accept his vulnerability, his weakness? And we are deciding who is who. ‘Snowflakes’, as well as ’strong men’ have been created, they weren't born that way.
Questions like this should be raised to a large extent within society, its benefits and disadvantages should be discussed by everyone, and the result will be determined by law.
If the images go beyond the circle of acquaintance and are spoken to strangers, in my opinion they are unacceptable. Behaviour such as racism or verbal abuse is unpleasant and sometimes are common. I think that racist behaviour today is certainly less and more punished and that is why such a generation was created.
Fortunately, I do not belong to this generation, because if someone not worthy of my attention speaks to offensive words, I do not care about such a person, because I believe that it is a shame of time
It may sound like an old school approach but in my honest opinion this is the only right decision. By reducing your weaknesses you actually getting better and it helps you to be the better version of yourself. I can’t see any advantages of showing off your feelings. By doing this you affect the others and make them weaker. The others start thinking that they may follow your example and instead of solving their problems they will simply give up and start expressing their feelings(crying).
Summing up, it’s all up to you who you want to become. It’s only your choice wether you want to express your feeling or getting better in any sense.
Nowadays there is a tendency for forbidding things. And it is clearly got out of hand. Today, minorities and people, who desperately seek to victimize themselves, cannot distinguish opinion from threat. As mr. Neil stated, there was a time, when an ability to express one's opinion was valued. Now, your opinion should be expressed only, if it does not "Hurt" our snowflakes. Who decides, what actually hurts? Right, this is clearly out of control. There is racism. There is bullying. Best way to forbid them -- strike back. Defend yourself. Weak being attacked? Defend them. That is how the Nature wanted it to be. But when defense starts to hit those, who even did not say or did anything, it is not okay. It becomes a pointless violence itself. And the whole mechanism starts to spin backwards. In my opinion, we are going to have "White racism" in no time, if a line between vital self defense and pointless offense will not be drawn for our snowflakes.
I believe that there have always been stupid people all around the world, but Internet and free speech provides greater opportunity for stupidity to be expressed. People are even ready to rewrite the history of the world, because they are offended. And it concerns not only racism, but all other controversial topics one can imagine. The worst thing is that by doing so, screaming and shouting about how hard they are offended, such people are only making things worse, instead of really fixing them.
Here is example from the life, it happens to me two days ago. I was writing stuff in Microsoft Word, and the sentence goes like that: ... men and women .... I see that Word has some problem with that part. What do you think it was? According to Word, I should change it to "women and men", I should use non-discriminating language, that's how it was called. Is there any person that believe that things like I've described change something? In my opinion, it looks like somebody tries to fight with hate by throwing even more hate. What will be left in the very end is only hate.
I can do this all day, providing examples of substitution of concepts, etc., but I don't want to spend time for snowflakes. I believe that the evolution of our society will leave them somewhere behind. Everything in nature obeys the law of survival of the fittest, even our society is based on this law. And if you want to survive, grow some shell on your thin skin.
I think that we live in times that when you see a person with different skin we don't care about this too much. We are used to see different people from different cultures because of globalisation and easiness of travel. I focus on character, on behaviour and opinions of people who I meet not colour of their skin because it is ridiculous.
We shouldn't to yield under pressure that every failure in our life can be explain by hate speech.
I would like to finish my post with the following question. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. Weak men create hard times. In which part of the cycle we're at now?
Of course, we have to understand when we should do something with it and when we should forget about it.
I think that people have to understand not to freak out about everything that is contrary to their point of view.
In my opinion, there is nothing wrong in being offended as long as we are not offended by everything and everyone.
The worst thing a politician, actor, writer, doctor can afford now is to say something that causes fear in snowflakes. For example, to stand up for a Hollywood producer who seduced Actresses, or to say that passive Smoking does not harm anyone, and feminism – a pretty stupid thing... That is, to go against the left ideology that dominates more than half a century in European and American departments and which has become a catechism of snowflakes.
When snowflakes get scared, they unite and, sparing no energy, arrange a Blizzard to the culprit of their fear: lawsuits, devastating articles, tons of letters with insults, boycotting the company that did not throw the villain on the street. Today, snowflakes are perhaps one of the most powerful, mobile and significant diasporas in the first world — a community that cannot be ignored.
As for Dan Pena's video, I understand the points he's trying to make, and I don't disagree with them, but I do think that he might perhaps be taking things a bit too far. While people certainly shouldn't just allow others to push them around, they shouldn't neccessarily respond to aggression with aggression, either. Having self-esteem and acting assertively do not mean that you have to beat someone to death because they insulted you. That said, he's certainly correct that people do tend to be a bit too fragile nowadays, which might result in a disaster when tough times come.
On the other hand, for me handshake is one of the most important part of the first impression that person makes when I meet them for the first time. Sadly I have to agree with Dan Pena, handshake is getting worse and worse. Some of my friends don’t even grab hand when they meet. Their hands are like dead fish. Their lack of self confidence is mirrored in the force (or rather lack of it), of handshake.
What about your handshake? Is it important for you as well? What about your friends and colleagues?
We're living in the best time humanity ever had. Movements like that are a consequence of it. People just care more about others and have enough empathy to see their problems While not always having best methods doing it by imposing others with their opinions they are helping us by showing scale of problems and fighting for good reasons.
Also I don't agree with sentence that is quite often quoted here about "strong man create good times. etc.". Our times were created by men who did things for humanity and science. The ones that were caring about society. Implying that the wars had any good effects by the people while living in one of the countries that have been affected the most, shows only how our education system is ineffective. I believe it is also a one of the main reasons why racism and sexism exists
On the other side, the man in the second video was a caricature. I understand that he’s acting that way in order to position himself on the opposite, radical side of the „toughness” spectrum but because it’s so radical, I couldn’t restrain myself from laughing at some points of the discussion.
I agree that the ratio of so-called „snowflake” to „though” people is higher now than it seemed to be in the past. But I also believe that the aforementioned toughness is not always physical.
In the past, toughness was defined by participation in fights, war and general competition — there were no other means to prove it to the society. Nowadays, 70 years after the last global war, there are just different means to achieve toughness.
With the blooming of capitalism and big businesses, it’s fighting with mental challenges, constant stress and rise to power that makes people tough without using physical violence. It’s Fortune 50 CEOs that are the new modern standard of tough.
(But yeah, don’t spit on my significant other, otherwise I’ll prove my point wrong. :P)
Honestly, I don't really want to discuss racism because often people like to thing categorical on this topic. I mean that they think that you have to choose only one side and definitely couldn't be somewhere in the middle sometimes. So it's hard to talk about that because I think that the most disgusting law in the history is a bus segregation in America and at the same time I think that closing the borders to refuges is a good idea.
However, I hear more and more about political correctness which is quite closely related to being thin skinned. It became so popular that many people are afriad to express their opinion because of hate and being called intolerant. This way the society is getting more “soft” and neutral.
According to Mr. Pena speech I need to agree. His opinion is pretty much exaggerated when it comes to dealing with insults but we shouldn’t be neutral for sure. His point about men handshake hits the nail on the head. I experienced it many times that some handshakes with adult men felt like with little child. On the other hand, Women are getting stronger and we more often hear about feminism. It’s not bad in my opinion, but it’s bad that men are getting weaker and less emotionally resistant.
To be honest, "snow flakes" is a new term for me and I think that I'm not that person. I know my rights and benefits of them. I don't like these people because they never can make a point. They are nondescript for me. In my opinion, everyone should know how to confident and not let anyone to walk all over them.
Campaigns, promises, and ads in nearest future will be mainly aimed at older people,
So your vote won’t make generally any difference, and not only because you are young, but because (((they))) won't allow people from outside
Dan Pena was funny, and brutally honest. I wouldn’t say that he is right in his attitude to deal with some problems but… He actually admits that his methods are to radical but also to “Snowflake Generation” is radical in the other way. It can be connected to freedom of speech. Let’s start from my favorite example of how sensitive modern generation is. Warhammer 40000. It is a game. A tabletop game using plastic figures of science fiction grim dark warriors. It is rely dark, grim and bloody. There are races that want only war, live of a human has no value at all and there are robots wearing skins of people that they kill. People meet, put this figures on the table, role dices, the battle is concluded. And suddenly… PETA writes a letter asking Games Workshop, the owner of the franchise to stop producing one single factions models. Why? Because they wear furs. Plastic models wearing plastic furs. In the universe that people die in trillions, full of horrible lore, blood and gore the most hideous of sins is that some guys wear furs. Great…
And now for my own experience. I was called racist. Why? Because I have disagreed with one girl on facebook saying that “people of color should be given extra points on exams so more of them are going to be on universities”. I said that it shouldn’t matter what race, gender or religion you have, all should be treated equally. And because of that I was called racist. Or because I said that I am not ok with black actress playing Ciri. I don’t care about a race of actors I care about the characters and plots and maybe because of games and comics I could’t imagine Ciri being other than a pale, thing girl with green eyes. As stated in books. On the other hand I loved Sonequa Martin-Green in Star Trek: Discovery.
Next, once I commented a post in which somebody said that they didn’t like “Punisher” because he is to brutal. I said that is is the whole point of the character so it is like saying that ice creams are bad because they are cold. I said, that it was her personal opinion but mine is different and from my point of view the producers shown the character as it should be. 5 minutes later I was called an “asshole”.
So many people are now offended when they start a discussion and you say something they don’t like. Yes I believe that Snowflakes exist and they are among us. And as an “lefty” in terms of ethics I realize why so many centered people are going to the right side. Because most of people on the left just CAN’T participate in any discussion with anyone with different view without calling names or “being offended”.
I highly recommend watching this reaction video after the elections in which Trump won. Spoiler: one point is that the left forbids the freedom of speech in name of politician correctness and throwing insults to anyone of different opinion (3:50).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs
There are actually people which are more and less emotional. These days toughness is not about physical strength but about mental strength. There are people that think they can withstand everything. Ok, maybe they can do it in their everyday life but there are things that we may not expect. People these days are more sensitive than it was in the past. Maybe it’s because the fact that they don’t have to fight for their as it was before. People feel more safe. But not everyone can feel safe. Racism is a very big problem these days. People are getting more tolerant but there’s still a lot to do. Many people look for better life. They very often move to other countries, looking for a better place for their families, with better earnings, etc. But they can’t always feel safe. Such people can’t be treated worse because of their origin or skin color. Every person should treat other person the way, that he or se would like to be treated by others.
It's first time when i hear about the "Snow flakes" but now I am more and more convinced that we have to deal with it. First step we should reset the Obligatory Army Service for everyone.
You can see very clearly how ((they)) are trying
to push young people into another war. They are going to say, that teens are weaker, that ww2 had a positive effect, but when the war finally arrives they will be sitting in their homes, while young people will be fighting.
That is only way to describe snowflakes.
They are talking about nonsense that "offence" them. In other words, things that they do not like and they too vocal about it. And because of that vocal complains, other snowflakes join them in their parade of "offended people".
And the funniest part, they will not stop until dominance from their side will be reach.
Even if it means to destroy or offend every sane person around them.
In conclusion, it is...
Pathetic.
Comparing to past or even to early XXI century, people are incredible tolerance. Xenophobia is definitely problem of the oldest. Of course, right now I am generalizing, but still I think that world is moving in the right direction.
Getting back to topic, I agree that our - younger - society is being too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own. Is that bad? Don't think so. People are weak and delicate, because world don't required our strenght right now.
In my opinion it is fair to say that this term didn't come out of nowhere. Nowadays people are more thin skinned than their used to be and there are reasons for it. We live in times of peace where many conflicts can be solved with words rather than violence. Opinions differ from one person to another, but that doesn't mean we should silence those we do not agree with. Rather than that we should stay open minded and be prepared to change our own opinion on different subject.
I believe that there is truth to the saying that weak people create bad times, bad times create strong people, strong people create good times, good times create weak people. The "snowflake generation" is a product of a period of no real devastating conflicts in Europe. People, young and old, create and exalt problems that have no real impact on them, simply because there is a lack of real, more pressing concerns.
In my opinion beeing too sensitive is dangerous for snowflakes, but we may need their sensitivity. But not in the "it's offensive" form. We need more empathetic people in order to create better world for everyone. Emotional intelligence is a key here- they have to discover that term and learn about their feeling and emotions. And I belive that snowflakes with a control over their emotions will change the world for better. Maybe they will end modern slavery in poor countries? Who knows? But we have to help them- without that they are going to melt.
Just a normal, hardworking person trying to make a living, drifting past a bunch of navel-gazing virtue signallers, who have so much spare time and money on their hands that they can afford to sit around protesting the crimes of someone who died 114 years ago.
Millions of people are people are living in dictatorship and squalor around the world right now, and this is the cause these layabout students spend their time promoting...
When it comes to the second video. I agree that man should be able to defend themselves and others. That they shouldn't be scared to stand for their beliefes etc. However, "paying somebody to kill someone" seems to me like a weird way to prove your manhood. Maybe his generation was created by World War II but certainly people like him have started it.
About first video - I think that as long as You are not offencing anyone, You should be able to say what do want and what You think. Of course the problem is to define what is the "border", because it's always very personal, but in my opinion censoring particular words or topics it's not a solution. You won't fight a crime if You will not talk/watch/read about it. You won't fight racism if You forbid a few words. There will always be people who are extremist , but both sides might have them. I agree with the older lady - nowadays people should try to challenge diffuculties.
Poland is an ethnically homogeneous country. Nowadays, we can observe an increase in the number of immigrants who are coming to Poland in order to work, for example, Ukrainians and Belarussians.
In the European Union, we observe a very high inflow of immigrants, mainly from Asia and Africa.
Most immigrants are economic migrants who are encouraged to come for getting high benefits.
Western countries have more and more problems with immigrants.
In Europe, we can observe more and more racist, xenophobic behavior related to the diversity of newcomers.
There is more and more violence due to the color of the skin and ethnity.
Nationalism is growing in strength, a very dangerous phenomenon that in the past ended with the Holocaust of the Jewish population.
In my opinion, moderate immigration is good, but immigration, in which Germany or another indigenous nationality becomes a minority, is very dangerous for both parties, because it can lead to civil war as it did in the old Yugoslavia.
There are no doubts that racism and sexism are disgusting in their nature and should be condemned by society. Problem is that, unfortunately, some people take it to extreme and start to look for racism, sexism or transphobia where there are simply no signs of them. So called SJWs (social justice warriors) get offended by literally everything, from hula girl doll in a taxi to guys wearing “offensive” Halloween costumes. But the saddest thing is that they start to interfere in developing process of games, movies and books more and more. They demand to show “respect” and add BAME or transgender character to a story, even if he/she doesn’t belong to that world, just for the sake of having him or her there. And if you refuse to do so then you are immediately labeled racist, sexist and transphobic. This type of people often say that words matter but ironically, they themselves feel absolutely free to blindly accuse people of intolerance.
I believe that eventually our society will evolve and such things as racism or sexism, even their slightest manifestations, will disappear forever. I just think that today, in our days, absolute majority of people aren’t intolerant, and this generation of snowflakes is fighting against problems, they thought up themselves.
The video featuring Dan Pena for me was really funny, especially when he was describing what is “Snowflake Generation” and when he told a story about his cousin who went to jail for being involved in stabbing a guy seventeen times because somebody said that his girlfriend looked like a “pig in a gunny sack”
I agree that generally we are becoming more weak and thin skinned. We live in times of peace.
But it is not true for all young persons and it depands on personality, upbringing and culture. It's only an subgroup.
I think that this is not very big problem in Poland and Mr Dan Pena examples are too exaggerated.
The interesting thing about this first video is the fact that students, that were there, listening to this dark-skinned guy (is it tolerant enough?) were mostly white. But we are talking about racism, don’t we? Well, tolerance is just a trend now.
I hated second video though. His point of view was pretty similar to mrs Fox’s, but those examples that he made and generally the way he express his opinion made me hate him, so I won’t comment it :)
We should be tolerant, but not too tolerant, we should react to racist stuff but not overreact. We just should not forgot about our humanity.
By their ideology, as a white heterosexual man I’d not even allowed to argue my point, because of some apparent ‘privilege’ that I’ve never experienced. A ‘privilege’ that allows them to cast slurs in my general direction without a right for retaliation. I’m not thrilled with the concept of living in a world where I need to watch every word that I say so that I don’t, god forbid, offend someone’s ego or hurt their brittle feelings. I didn’t exactly have a rough and harsh upbringing, but I’ve had my fair share of unpleasant experiences that made me stronger and less prone to bouts of uncontrollable aggravation just from having someone say something nasty my way. I’m the last person to wish anything bad upon others, but perhaps the 'snowflake generation' could use some of that mental durability.
The problem here in outliers, if I can call it that way. I can understand both sides, but I can't say that I support one of them. There have to be a balance. I agree that words can hurt. But we are in charge of what to accept or decline. By that I mean if somebody is trying to offend you, just by words you shouldn't immediately respond to that. Because this is the purpose of the offender. To make you suffer. But what if you could just pass it ?
Yes, it might be unpleasant. However if you show that person that you just don't care, what he or she thinks about you it can be even more painful for that person. Im not saying that this is the solution to everything.
There are cases, when you need to stand for yourself or your beloved or even for someone who just needs help. Unfortunately there are people in this world who trys to offend others by phisical means. In this case I guess it is not reasonable just to ignore that. I can be wrong, but in my opinion some action should be done.
For example paper spry or some similar tools can be used in oreder to defend yourself of the close ones.
People, who grow up on the street, without well-being, or with parents, who know how brutal is life, are a lot of tough now, and they don’t care about any offensive opinions. They are more humane than the Snowflakes generation.
To be honest, I would be in favor of restoring compulsory military service nowadays because many people (cu#ts ) would become real men what we need nowadays because the male species is already extinct. You can see that a lot of people need to learn respect for another human being, their wife or mother! Seeing what is going on the internet and youtube like the spits on their own mothers – watching this I want to cry. I think that the service would teach such people how to treat their twin with respect.
I am a woman, I see what is happening around me and my friends, it is monstrous how men can behave and treat women in such environments. Of course, I'm not talking about everyone, I'm talking more about it, because it's too frequent. Indeed, there is a tendency to reduce women's skills due to gender.
The worst, however, are cases when a woman goes to the environment (eg a workplace) where women are only single units. In such places also bad things happen and women who are often bullied don't want to do anything about it because they are afraid.
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This is a very delicate topic, and not only its discussion, but also the struggle against the phenomenon of the generation of snowflakes should be moderate and complex. But as it seemed to me, Dan Pena goes too far, although it may be so because he is an adherent of the old school.