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Week 1 [ 7-13.03.2016] Generation self: what young people really care about?

Read the article  Generation self: what young people really care about? At http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/mar/11/generation-self-what-young-care-about and present to us what you care about and why.

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Unknown said…
To start I would like to strongly imply that caring about yourself and closest relatives does not mean that you do not care about society. If you would like to have a nice paying job or your own company, that does not imply that you are selfish. Well, that's my opinion on the article.
Personally I do care about my own well-being as well as being part of community. Just because it is not difficult to say "Hello" to your neighbors or engage in short meaningless chit-chat. As much as I am an individualist, I simply can't isolate myself from world behind windows.
Unknown said…
I'd like to refer to the first lines of the article "Perhaps you have heard the old line about how a man "would be mad not to be a communist at 20, but would be madder to remain one at 40"." since I've discussed this issue earlier today.
I think that only people from countries that have never suffered from communism (and I'm using that phrase on purpose) believe that it is actually good. The idea is fine only in theory, but we know better than that.
Other than that I think it's perfectly natural and healthy to care about ourselves and those close to us more than about random people. That doesn't mean not caring about others at all because that would be plain cold hearted. But since it's impossible to make everyone happy I guess it's ok to focus on making our closest enviornment happy - if that makes any sense.
I have to agree with you on your point about communism. In theory everything looks like rainbows and unicorns, but citizens of Warsaw Pact countries have experienced that visions of equality end up when power is kept in hands of people who care only about themselves.
In my opinion it is true that nowadays young people focus less on society and their country. To extend I would also state that they also care less about their family, friends. The harsh truth is that after war and till 90's life was quite hard, and people had to keep together to survive, or make their life easier. There were no social networks and if you wanted to talk to someone you had to either go and meet him or ask neighbour who had phone if you could use it. Nowadays we have our phones and computers which give us illusion of contact. We chat, get information that everything is allright, we don't have to meet and we can focus on "more important" things, like our job. Technology improves so fast that we need to learn something new every day. Various medias give us examples that valuable society member is someone who is well qualified in many fields. Employers tend to favour people who are more avialable, so they promote life without children.Those little things add up to image of perfect citizen: lone, hard working person without personal commitments. Then, why would we care about each other?
Unknown said…
It's a bit tricky to form an opinion about this article as the socio-political situation here and in Britain and so different. They had a chance to start rebuilding their country decades before we did. We are only just learning what a modern country can be (and we're impatient too...)
Also, politicians have never been exactly trustworthy, so younger generations (well, does *anyone* believe that, at this point?) don't believe they have our best interest at heart. I wouldn't say that younger people care less; they just care about different things and in different ways. That's why it's easy to say they don't care at all; often you can't *see* what they do (by that I mean 'seeing their actions on (political) news which are the only ones that matter'). They act via non-political channels, like social media, because they have a better chance to be heard and supported by others than when fighting with, usually much older and conservative, politicians and bureaucracy.

Secondly, the scope of 'solidarity' has widened, indeed. But isn't it good thing? How many conflicts started just because one nation thought it was better than the other? It is much more logical and useful to be kind to any human being you meet than only to those who live within some artifically created borders, just because they're your 'community'. Really, my neighbours are terrible people and I would rather have a nice, interesting conversation about gender equality or economy with my friend in the USA than say 'hello' to them and not even get an answer.
Unknown said…
Yes, it's pretty bleak, especially when you consider what the very same media you've mentioned also offer. If you work hard, you can get such and such gadget or service and your life will be full of friends, love and happiness. Only, in order to do that, you need to reject exactly those values.
Well that is good subject. I guess that it depends on every single person what is the most important in life for her/him. Unfortunately I can see that more and more people became 'self' generation, but some of them are tired of such life and became in my opinion 'normal' - family and friends oriented. In times where the amount of money is describing who you are instead of your character traits, interests or knowledge it is hard to find people who will be long lasting true best friends. I have multiple people in my life who were very close to me but suddenly they have changed dramatically and all they care about right now is money and clothes they wear.

In general it is weird because when nothing happens people are self-oriented but when it comes to politics or some national celebration because of for instance independence day they change for a moment and became part of society. Maybe it is a sign that sooner or later everything will be back to normal and people in Poland will be more open to each other. Maybe because of historical background people are scared and want to have as a single person more safety and be independent.
I don't think the authors of the article meant 'self' generation is the one that doesn't care about their closest ones, family or friends, as you seem to suggest. Instead, they state that 'self' generation doesn't feel like a part of society.

I think that patriotism has nothing to do with caring about others (referring to the second part of your comment). I'm not a patriot and yet I do care a lot about others, especially my friends and closest family. I just don't feel that borders of my country should define the borders of my interest about others.
I agree strongly with the second part. I know it's not a popular opinion, but I really think that patriotism is somehow limitating and illogical. Sometimes people from outside of your country (or even continent) can have more in common with you that someone living next door. Just because someone was born in the same country as you doesn't mean he's similar to you in any way.
Unknown said…
For me, the article was quite OK. My conclusion is strongly basing on words said by Bobby Duffy:
"The younger generation is not uninterested in current affairs, It is remarkably focused on particular problems that it wants to resolve."
We cannot measure other people by one's own yard-stick. People are strongly affected by their individual breaking points, i.e. wedding, child birth, death of sb close - they make us different from each other. But what if such "breaking point" is more global? War, stock market crash, etc. - those events are affecting world views, life expectations and priorities of groups. We have to take it into consideration if we want to live together not only as groups but as humanity.
Unknown said…
As usual the person I agree with the most is Patrycja and also Sonia ;). Patriotism is a dated concept, especially now, in the age when people are more connected than ever. We can travel anywhere we want with ease. We can also exchange ideas with people around the world in the matter of seconds. I believe we should focus on the progress of humanity rather than set up and fortify the borders that divide us. The next step is to become united as a whole, as a species. We're not separated anymore, at least not geographically. We need to work out our differences rather than be proud of how different we are from each other. We're not so very different. All sane people share similar interests and desires. Why don't we realize that and work together to achieve something bigger? I think we should feel proud when a human being does something great - space exploration, invention of something life changing than focus on where the person is from. I personally care more about doing those things then nationality.

I think patriotism mentioned in the article is an idea that's getting less and less popular. It's going to take a couple of generations but I believe that in the end we will realize that it's not worth dwelling on some past achievements of people who happened to live in a similar geographical location. It's important to focus on global matters instead. I don't want people to forget about the past, of course. It's still an invaluable source of information. History should be used to make students understand that humanity is capable of both great achievements and horrible atrocities, and that we should learn from our mistakes.

Furthermore I strongly agree with Patrycja's statement that patriotism has nothing to do with caring about others and that borders shouldn't define our interest in others.
Unknown said…
Nowadays there are just other values... it's true that young people care about different things, and i think it's more common to think about ourselves at first.
Maybe we don't identify with our society because we feel that we can change everythin in a short time, move to other city or country, everything is just so temporary now
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This article seems really weird to me. It describes differences between generations of British people on the basis of being pro or against welfare state as a concept. People who survived war are in favour of welfare state, because the war was an issue from the outside. Young people right now are faced with an internal issue, the system that was built by their grandparents isn't sufficient anymore. They see that the goverment won't help them, so they take the matters into their own hands. That's quite natural.

Also in a way connected to the article, here's a link to a video with a few words by a simple Londoner named Johnny Rotten (from his interview with The Guardian actually).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY6S2TzytVY
Unknown said…
I think these problems don't affect only Great Britain. In Poland in our generation we have less patriots and people interested in what is happening in society. This is what happens in our country is even worse than in the UK. The current government don't support young people enough and they don't respect the rights of all citizens of the country. Through it all, young people are focused on their career and they just want to go abroad. Nowadays it's much easier to leave the country than in the days of our parents. Therefore, we have less patriotic and more people who believe in the ideas of cosmopolitanism.
Unknown said…

I agree that most young people do not focus attention on what is happening in their country and society, as opposed to older generations. It is possible that this is due to the development of technology. Now we can’t imagine life without the Internet, mobile phone etc. Of course a lot things are easier with it, but it impeges face to face contacts between people. People live for themselves. They are more selfish than earlier. Everyone is always busy. Their careers are the most important at least more important than other people. In my opinion it is global problem, not only in UK.
Unknown said…
It was said in the article that people are now more global and cosmopolitan because of the Internet, I agree. We tend to forget about things that really matter (local and domestic issues) to us on a daily basis and support issues that don't really affect us in some distant countries.

Before WWII people shifted towards more right-winged governments, now it's the opposite, its how its always been and will be.
Unknown said…
Most of the young people doesnt care about what's going on in a social life until it affects them personally. We were brought up in developing country and taught by society to chase good money and carriers, this is what counts nowadays. Alternatively minority decides to leave it all behind and look for other ways of living.
But these are exceptions. The notion of solidarity appears from time to time mainly in media and only when it comes to political games. I believe our generation does not have sense of it at all. Surely we can unite for a while for instance in a moment of national tragedy but after all we prefer not to engage too much.
I believe that describes social aspect of individualisation is determined mainly because of technocracy we live in. As many of my colleges have mentioned, nowadays we can satisfy our social needs just by using internet.
Unknown said…
While I agree that nowadays young people are less concerned by what is going on in their own country, I don't think they're not interested at all. I believe technology is to "blame". Its development gave us access to new methods of communication and allows us to read news from all over the world so we discuss more global topics instead of focusing on the local ones. I'm not saying it's good or bad, but it's definitely different.
I agree that patriotism and a concept of adherence to a certain nation are a bit oudated. People tend to consider themselves as world citizens, they travel more often than ever, discover many different countries, move for work or studies. However, I don't think that a sense of family responsibility is getting less important - nowadays people live longer, but it doesn't mean that they are healthy. It is not uncommon that people who just finished raising their children have to start taking care for their elderly and sick parents.
Unknown said…
There are many factors which are responsible for this situation. Technology, and digital communication was designed to connect people, but it turned out to do the opposite. According to the article every next generation cares less about other. Maybe it’s cause by government impact in our life which increases over the years. You don’t have to care about others when there is a public agency which deals with it.
Unknown said…
Well, in the first place I think it is much different situation in UK than in Poland, because of different histories our countries had. Our generation Y was born in communism or in very early post-communist reality, so it had influenced our people differently than in UK. I think that there is defenitely a difference between our generation (so-called Gen Z) and ou parents' or grandparents'. I think that we are used to much easier life and more accessible reality than our elders and the main reason is no war/post war realuty and the internet which, as the article says, makes us socialize with people sharing common interests and somehow forgetting about stuff around us. I think there's less self-conciousness in today's world's young people than before because of the informarion explosion we get every day which distracts us easily. So the result is that we kind of clinge to things directly connected to us, which are most difficult to distract from.
Michał Pycek said…
I think that this article draws attention to a very important thing in every youngster’s life, which would be finding the balance between social relationships and permanent run for a career. So pushing the edge in any direction would make people more community-oriented or more self-oriented. In the world of constant development, innovations and technology explosion, it is much more difficult to be prosocial or to feel solidarity with others. The reason would be f. ex. that everyone wants to differentiate and become more competitive. To defend young people, I would say that every generation was influenced by the world which was created by its ancestors, who should also bear responsibility for that.
Marcin Konarski said…
In my opinion it depends where those people come from, who are their’s friends, which school they attended, in which family they grew up and what they were taught. I can see examples among my friends, where great majority from one of the cites had bad habits, couldn’t find a job and had no perspectives for live, but there were few people who were so different. They did their’s best to move out to Warsaw, to learn hard, they didn’t smoke or drink alcohol and succeeded in life. I noticed that children whose parents didn’t gave them money to spend for anything their want now are much enterprising, successful, hard-working and independent. Other kids used money for buying alcohol, going to clubs, partying and buying expensive clothes. That was all they cared about.
OlaScislewska said…
It is hard to compare situation in UK to Polish situation. As one of the youth in Poland I can say that we feel manipulated by politicians, by media and thats why we are lost and hopeless. We lose drive and hope. Someone can say young people doesn't care or doesn't have their own opinion but it is much more about being in oposition to lies and manipulations around us.
OlaScislewska said…
It is hard to compare situation in UK to Polish situation. As one of the youth in Poland I can say that we feel manipulated by politicians, by media and thats why we are lost and hopeless. We lose drive and hope. Someone can say young people doesn't care or doesn't have their own opinion but it is much more about being in oposition to lies and manipulations around us.

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