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Week 8: A good man with a gun



The title of this presentation is a part of the National Rifle Association motto, a powerful American society founded in 1871 with over 5 million members.  The members of this association strongly believe that “ only thing that can stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun”.
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The American right to have a gun in every home is guaranteed by the second
amendment to the American Constitution that was issued in 1791 - “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” (original text). That was ages ago, when the world was a very different place than nowadays. Back in 18th century there was nothing like public order that was guaranteed by the government, and it was understandable that everyone had to protect himself and his family on his own. Back then the right to carry a gun was a natural thing.

But over 200 years have passed and the world is a different place now. So is it really necessary for us to carry a gun on daily bases? Nowadays there is no problem for anyone across the United States to buy an assault rifle. Of course not only those good guys buy them. There were a number of incidents (delicately said) involving people publicly ( unfortunately after the fact) called insane. They usually attacked public places with a lot of people in one place (schools, movie theaters, universities etc.). those are only  a few of them:

  •  1966 – 16 killed and 32 wounded by Charles Whitman at the University of Texas in Austin
  • April 20, 1999 – 15 killed and 24 wounded  by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold in Columbine High School in Colorado

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  •  April 3, 2009 - naturalized immigrant Jiverly Wong shot and killed 13 people and himself at the American Civic Association immigration center in Binghamton
  • November 5, 2009 - Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hassan shot and killed 13 soldiers at Ft. Hood near Killeen, Texas. It was the ninth deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
  • March 10, 2009 - Michael Kenneth McLendon shot 10 people, two of them children and several of them his own family members, in a spree spanning the towns of Geneva and Samson
  • February 12, 2010 - Robert Stewart shot and killed eight people at the Pinelake Health and Rehab convalescent home

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  •  October 12, 2011 - Scott Dekraai shot and killed eight people at the Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, Calif
  • 2012 - medical student James Eagan Holmes shot and killed 12 people inside a movie theater showing The Dark Knight Rises.
  • December 14, 2012 A heavily armed gunman kills 20 children and 8 adults at an elementary school in Newtown

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Of course these are only the major ones. Not a month passes by without a shooting with 2 or 3 casualties.

After each and every one of these incidents the discussion about access to guns starts from the beginning but nothing changes. Politicians are simply afraid to lose their popularity. And NRA is mostly responsible for such state of things.
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I don’t want to blame the NRA for all those massacres. I even don’t think that such easy access to guns is the only thing to blame (but I think that it is insane that you can buy an assault rifle almost everywhere and riffle rounds are a standard assortment at Wal-Mart). In the neighboring Canada there are statistically over 2 guns for every citizen, and despite that we don’t hear any news about such incidents in Canada. The society is to blame but easy access to guns makes stopping these incidents practically impossible. But blaming one thing for such complicated process is never right. But do you think that anything will change in this matter, or having fully armed bodyguards at all schools is inevitable?
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What’s your opinion? Do you think that gun access law in Poland should be less restrictive? Maybe you have a gun at home? Or maybe you don’t but want to have one? Do you really thing that it would make you feel safer if you had a gun at home? I personally can’t imagine having a gun  at home with my kids hanging around, even if you have to store it in a safe.

Comments

Natalia said…
In my opinion restricted, by goverment, access to wepons are affecting only "good guys", if a "bad guy" wants to get a gun he will eventually get it from other bad guy, so for he there is no difference. If the good guy want to protect his family (in Poland) they can only use his fists or a kitchen knife and of course he have to make sure to not to injure bad guy to much, because he can get 10 yeras in jail for "excess of self-defense". It is ridiculous :)
If bad guy would know that in particular house (which we want to rob for example) is a person with a gun, he probably would reconsider if he really want to rob that house. Besides, now women seems to be quite defenceless in comparation to strong men which want to hurt them, but if they would have guns, they could defence themselves.

I don't have gun, but if possessing gun would be legal I would consider having one and yes, I think this would make me feel safer.
Unknown said…
So in my opinion it is good that the polish law restricts having a gun so much. But my grandfather was a military man so i am quite good with handling the gun. On the other side if you know where to go or how to ask you can buy a gun quite easy. So as Natalia said it affects only the people that would like to have a gun to self defense. I have a gun in my house, i grown with it and i do not see any problem with keeping your gun in home with children. It is just a matter of how good are you with raising a child.
Tomek Niezgoda said…
I think there will always be a group of people disobeying the rules. It doesn't just apply to guns. Smoking marihuana is another good example. Making it legal won't cause everybody to start smoking. Only a small group will. I don't believe that making guns legal or illegal will help. There are a lot of farms in America located in very redundant places. Those people wouldn't give away their guns because nearest help is too far. The only thing that bothers me really is that sometimes children get guns from their parents. There were cases in the past when someone was accidentally shot by kids. I put this on the same level as buying mature games for children. There is a reason why access to them is restricted.
This topic is quite a controversial and difficult one, at least in my opinion. Personally I wouldn't like the idea of everybody around having a gun (or at least of the possibility that every person I see might have a gun). Obviously the "bad guys" will always find ways to get hold of a gun if they want to, but I think it is the government's job to make it as difficult as possible for them. In the case of Poland I believe that the laws about self-defense are totally messed up. Most of the times it's better not to defend yourself when you are mugged, because you will become the villain instead of being the victim. At least in the light of the law.
Anyway, considering the topic, I really like an idea that Chris Rock presented in one of his stand-up comedy jokes: make bullets really, and I mean really, expensive. That way somebody will really think twice before resorting to using a gun. I'm sure it's not as easy to do, as it is to say, but still sounds like a pretty good idea. Here's a link to this particular part of the whole show where Chris said it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db0Y4qIZ4PA
elos said…
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elos said…
In my opinion polish law is too restrictive. In my opinion anybody who passes psychological tests and feels a need to have a gun should have this possibility. Of course some further restrictions should be added like periodically testing the psyche, permission for a gun only at home, different permission for a gun outside (depending on personal situation). A gun should be stored in special safe like current polish law says. Second important thing in our law which I would change is self-defense at home. I totally agree with Natalia, it is ridiculous that head of family because he protected them goes to jail. I like American law (I am not sure whether the law is operative in all states) which says you can kill any intruder on your territory.
I have a gun in my flat but it its paintball marker :) If it would be easier to get permission for sure I would buy a gun. There is a lot of dangerous things for children in our homes like knifes, electricity and we live with that without big problems so just storing a gun in special safe is enough to be not afraid.
Unknown said…
I think law in Poland is not bad considering gun access if somebody really need a gun there are legal ways to get one. I don’t really needed gun and I hope I never will. We all know incidents from USA schools, streets where some desperate kid is shooting to people because of his/her mental problems. If we really need this here in Poland where we have incidents every single football match? and I dont mention national holidays :)
I think that statistics contradict your point of view. Access to guns is practically unlimited in the US and still the amount of murders id very high. Although I agree that in Poland "excess of self-defense" is a common issue in our courts.
I’m glad that you can shoot pretty well but I’m afraid that most of those who Gould Get a gun In Poland wouldn’t have any idea how to use it.
I agree that there are many places that you have to defend yourself without any outside help, but let’s be honest. If you want a gun for self-defense you buy a pistol not an assault rifle which is strictly an offensive weapon.
Of course you can say it that a way but electricity won’t kill your child in an instant ( my worries were not made considering 1-2 year old children but older ones which are very curios and want to try anything) . and another thing is that with electricity he will probably hurt just himself not anyone in his surrounding
Sylwia said…
I don't have gun at home. I do not feel that I need it and I hope it will remain that way. What's more I think I wouldn't feel safer if I have one. That is way, probably, I will never buy any. I also do not see any reason why the law in Poland should be changed. If you really want and need a gun there are ways to get it legally. It take a lot of effort and time, but it is possibile. So if you are enough motivated you will get it. Personally I do not remeber any situation from my life or my family and friends life, which would have required gun or it would have been helpful (except hunting as some friends of my are involved in such activites). I do not think that such situation happen often. Addtionally what if you posses one and aggressor will use it against you? We never now how we will react in stress, so that is possible. Eventually after using a gun even against an offender I would have feel guilty if that person died.
That’s my point exactly. I didn’t want to focus on “normal” people wanted to buy a gun but a potential risk of someone witch serious mental problems getting one and killing lots of innocent people because of his imaginations
I’m glad you feel safe in our beautiful country. Finally someone saying something positive about it :)
Sylwia said…
To clarify I do not see any reason to change the law in Poland in case of getting a gun, not in case of self defence. I agree with all of you, who mentioned that it makes a victim guilty.
elos said…
You mean teenager? If yes. They also can still parent`s car and kill a lot many people in car accident. As I said simple hide/close the gun in a safe or talk about it with children and explain why you have a gun like parents have to talk about other risks.
Unknown said…
I would say that National Rifle Association is wrong. Give everyone a gun and you will have few gun shooting action every day. The only way to stop other from doing those things is to unarm them. Why ONZ do not give away guns and ammunition to countries in conflict ? If we would think like National Rifle Association we could end the conflict by simple giving it to them. I believe that there are many people who are simple stupid enough to use it in wrong way. Country have it tools to prevent bad people. Giving gun to "good people" would not resolve the issue of "bad man with a gun". How would we know extinguish good from bad person. Many people with problems since to be very normal good citizens. In most cases they would never act because they don not have access to weapon. I would not want to live in a country where everyone have weapon. It would be much more dangerous then one crazy man with a gun every one and then. What we should do to get units like police and anti-terrorist prepared for them, ready and waiting. If the response time will be quick enough many lives can be saved. Ps I really think that all this fuss about "good man with gun" is about weapon industry, who simple want to make big money on this. Maybe war is not big enough market for them. We are talking about billions of dollars every year...
lukasz-anwajler said…
What’s your opinion? Do you think that gun access law in Poland should be less restrictive? Maybe you have a gun at home? Or maybe you don’t but want to have one? Do you really thing that it would make you feel safer if you had a gun at home? I personally can’t imagine having a gun at home with my kids hanging around, even if you have to store it in a safe.

I'd want to have gun at home for my own safety. I'm not sure if guns should be accessible to everyone, I think that country/society like USA is more mature than Europe in terms of guns, for them it's element of identity and since their beginnings they had access to guns.

I think that on my own property I should be able to do whatever I want, including guns, drugs etc. As long as I'm not disturbing anybody else - it's ok.
OK but I think that it is a lot harder to kill someone with a car than with a gun
Of course that they represent the weapon industry. And I think that you r point is right. Giving guns to everyone that wants them we risk giving e very dangerous tool to people sometimes completely irresponsible.
I never understood those saying that carrying a gun is a part of American’s identity. So what do you mean, that if the will be forced to give it away the will lose their identity as a nation??? If that would be the truth that means that there is nothing bounding them together at all.

What can you do and what you mustn’t do in your own home is a topic for another conversation, but to say it simple you can’t do whatever you want because you don’t live on some island all by yourself but you live in a society and your freedom is restricted by the freedom of others. That’s the basic law of democracy.
elos said…
Depends on driving skills and pedestrians` reflexes :)
Seisyll said…
We are doing pretty well without this law. Think what was happening at our independence day and now add to this a law that allows you to have a weapon. Bad idea. People are not mature enough to carry an item that allows you to kill a person without any effort.
Also even if you had a gun you'd better never use it. Polish law is so great that if you hit an attacker one time too many then you will be going to jail.
armandstanczak said…
I don't have gun, but if possessing gun would be legal I would consider having one and yes, I think this would make me feel safer. Just like basically over half of american have them. (except those crazy people with more guns than thir IQ). Maybe we could develop some gun industry in Poland and finally help our own ecenomy?

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