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Week 2 [10.10 - 16.10.2016] What will be the consequences of Brexit?


What will be the consequences of Brexit?


Source: https://rts.org.uk/article/brexit-what%E2%80%99s-best-british-tv

  
As we all know, on 23th of June more than 30 million British people took part in the referendum on UK’s membership of the EU. They were answering the question:
‘Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?’. The result was 52% to 48% for leaving.

People who voted for leaving said that Britain was being held back by the Union. Brussels charged a huge amount of money per year for being a member of the EU and gave little in return. It was also blamed for dictating British sovereignty and democracy. People wanted back the capability of own decision-making in such cases like: border control or immigrant problems.

Why will the process of leaving the EU take years? A vote to leave the EU was only the start, not the end of the complex process. The “breaking up” with Brussels depends on British government’s  decision to announce its retreat. In this case, according to the procedure it has to officially notify the Union following the Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. What is interesting, this Article has not been used yet in the history of the European Union. According to Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, the process of exit arrangement lasts for not less than two years. Theresa May (Prime Minister of the UK) claimed, she intends to use Article 50 until March 2017. Calculating, UK should leave by the end of March 2019.

There are two versions of Brexit - hard and soft. The hard one proposes the scenario of the UK not agreeing to compromise on such topics like free movement of people. On the other hand, the soft version foresees Britain may act similarly to Norway, which is not a member of the EU but has access to the European Common Market (ECM).  

When it comes to staying united, leaving the EU might transform the UK in a fundamental way. It is called united because it consists of four, let’s say, “countries”: Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England. Looking at Britain now when it is at the last step towards leaving the EU, there is a real risk that it will persist in the current shape for a lot longer.

At the end of the serious considerations I recommend watching a short and funny video (published few days before the Brexit referendum) from Last Week Tonight with John Olivier about Brexit.


Please feel free to present your opinion on this topic.

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Comments

As always only the people will be losing in all of that. I don't consider Brexit a good thing - EU is not flawless, but it's definitely more good than bad, and saves a lot of effort and work for people in many aspects, especially travelling or getting a work. We'll see what long-term side-effects Brexit will bring, but lots of people have just realized that the decision about leaving EU might not be really that good.
Unknown said…
I fully agree that lots of people might regret the decision but it's to late. In my opinion in a long period of time it may be hard for Britain to staying united.
It's funny that people went for voting even if they didn't know whats going on. Check this out:

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/06/24/480949383/britains-google-searches-for-what-is-the-eu-spike-after-brexit-vote
Unknown said…
Exactly, of course European Union has it own advantages and disadvantages but I also think people will regret this decision. EU is helpful in many aspects for example donations, travelling, working issue...Besides, I'm wondering if after that UK is gonna stay together united or otherwise. I think this all Brexit thing is not a really good move.
After reading the title of the article I also remembered that funny (and frightening at the same time) reports. The fact, that political consciousness of british pepople is so low, is deeply disturbing. As Damian pointed out, one of the main reasons for Brexit was that "People wanted back the capability of own decision-making". I'm just wondering how you can make decisions when you have no idea what you decide on.
Brexit can also have a big impact on the situation in Poland - if all our countrymen living in the UK (or only some of them) have to return to their own country, we will have serious problems here e.g. high level of unemployment.
Unknown said…
To my mind, Britain is the first country which will leave and it will not be the last.
I think that imigrant policy is a big problem for the UK and one of main resons why people voted this way. Polish people living in the UK after brexit stared to fell consequences. For example young people stared attacks on Polish people. In my opinion brexit will take a lot longer time than until March 2019.
Unknown said…
I didn't really dig too deep into that, but I believe Britain might quickly realise that Brexit isn't the best idea for them, and try to undo what they did. Right now they still seem to be on the wave of "Britain is too strong for all of you EU peasants", but that won't last. Let's face it, it's one of the countries that has gained the most from taxless imported goods from other parts of Europe thanks to EU existance. And, due to sudden lack of specialised workforce, they might start missing the "Polish plumber" soon enough.
Dajana Kubica said…
It seems to me that the British acted hastily. Cameron negotiated with Brussels good conditions for the UK. Newly arrived immigrants would not get immediately access to all social benefits. Extras on children of immigrants were supposed to be limited. United Kingdom also could keep their currency. I do not understand why these conditions are not sufficient for the British. They wanted be detached, believing that their country would be better to develop without interference from the European Union, but it should be remembered that strength in unity.
The problem with Brexit is that, whatever anyone thinks of the decision, there aren't any serious politicians on the scene right now to lead the UK out of the EU and take responsibility for it. Farage is a total populist that ran away as soon as he could, Boris Johnson is as serious a politician as I'm a good opera singer, Theresa May is the prime minister out of necessity. Dealing with Brexit is quite a challenge and maybe they should dig out Maggie Thatcher to tackle it.
Unknown said…
I can agree with you but only up to a point. Of course, if people return, there will be such problems as high level of unemployment, disproportionate supply to demand and so on. But I believe we are clever country and we'll turn it in positive way very fast.

Let's see on our GDP ( http://goo.gl/YTrQRp ). We has had one of the highest (percetage!) increases in Europe. which is much more difficult than in other, smaller, countries.

Of course, GDP is not the only measure, but it shows some part of our economy compared to other countries.

That's why, as I said, I believe that despite EU will become weaker, Poland will be able to use it in "economically wise" way.
Unknown said…
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Unknown said…
Europe is getting weaker. The British are naive if they think that they will count in the world without being part of the Union. European countries are individually too weak to take care of their interests in the world. Competition from the United States and China will put us in a very disadvantageous (economically, militarily and socially) position. We will be forced to accept unfavorable deals. While writing this I do not agree with the current policy of the European Union. I do not see any difference between the British, Germans, Poles and Czechs. Europe should be united much more, such as the United States, with the autonomy of individual regions, but common army, foreign policy and federal law. And above all devote themselves to caring for the interests of those who already live there, not those who want to.
Unknown said…
It's true some of them regret. In the internet they can sign under a petition for secound referendum: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Unknown said…
Jacek, which country in your opinion will be voting for exiting the EU next?
Unknown said…
Maciej, I fully agree with you. Their inside problems in politics can cause even more that Brexit - disintegration
Unknown said…
As I have to admit that economically it might weaken both Europe and GB, i think using word "militarily" is overstatement. UE does not create any military bounds between countries, and GB has natural military allies in EU no matter if its in or out of EU.
Unknown said…
I think that Brexit will weak EU economically. I am not suprised that some people want to exit EU, as riche countries does not have as many benefits as as poor one. One the other hand EU gives strong negotiation position for all participants in the whole world.
Piotr Basiński said…
In my opinion Brexit will have fatal results for emigration. Many computer specialists will choose USA as destination point, instead of Britan, becouse there is no reason to go to place where, it will become harder to stay, than it is now. In USA there are a lot of resources where we can find information how to get VISA, how to work legal etc. but now no one know how it will be with work in UK in future. Many smart people, that could go there, will choose diffrent country with stable predictable work future.
Piotr Basiński said…
You're right, but people will always want to change something.
Unknown said…
Agnieszka, you've made a great point - if they gonna stay united. Maybe they felt that they may disconnect from everything and feel strong or maybe it will end with stronger bond between all of the countries in Great Britain. I'm looking forward to see how it is going to end.
I do not believe in that, i think England say in a next month it was just a joke. But if this is not a joke, well nothing happened. Why? Because England still have to respect EU laws and pay $$ if they want access for european market. The only thing that will change is that it will not have a voice in parliament.
Unknown said…
In my opinion Brexit can have the greatest impact on the Poles who emigrated there but for the British probably in the near future not much will change. If all those Poles who have emigrated to try to obtain a visa it would be a big problem. I think this isn't the last country that will depart from European Union.
I will comment general about brexit. I don't know the details but I'm curious as brexit will Affect the people who went to work abroad, for example polish people? Can somebody tell me? I would be grateful
Jarek_Ziem said…
Brexit shows how efficient the democratic system really is. Majority of voting for leave were uneducated, old people from smaller towns who were scared that some immigrants will still their minimum wage jobs. I just loved those Brexit buses.
Independent: “Nigel Farage also told Good Morning Britain that the claim written on the side of the Vote Leave Battle Bus – that leaving the EU would release £350m a week that could be spent on the NHS – was "a mistake". "It wasn’t one of my adverts," he said.” It was a pure lie and no one will hold them liable.
What will come to Britain: first, attacks on immigrants mainly Poles because other minorities are protected by political correction. Second, British Treasury analysis suggests the costs of Brexit would be high and I quote: “the central estimate touted by George Osborne, the chancellor, is that GDP may be 6.2% lower than it would otherwise have been by 2030, an annual cost that he reckons works out at some £4,300 ($6,000) per household.” It will mostly affect those poor uneducated households which voted “leave”.
Michał Pycek said…
I agree, I also think that the people of Britain felt for a while that their voice has power and means something to Europe. However I am not sure they expected that the majority actually would vote for Brexit. It seems that they suddenly realized that it is not just a protest against something. It seems like they begin to understand such result actually can cause consequences for both sides.
kondrat said…
Brexit will be a really an issue for IT market. UE gave our sector a great opportunity to work wherever we want, for whoever we want. Great Britain is one of the biggest IT markets in UE. With brexit a lot of great specialists will have to return. On the other hand i've heard that UK is going to keep actual foreign inhabitants. Anyway- it is going to be a bad decision for UK market.
Unknown said…
in my opinion we can't yet tell, whether Brexit is a good thing or not. I think, in near future, it will be harder for people from other countries to stay and work for longer time in Britain. Foreigners might be also not so warmly welcomed by briton, there were already few examples of such behavior.
On the other hand, many companies, that have their offices in London and other cities in Great Britain, might want to move headquarters to EU, for example Warsaw.
In my opinion, we have to wait more than 2 years to see, how EU will survive without Great Britain.
Michał Pycek said…
Looking at the current political situation among the European countries, it is not the best and most positive period of time regarding building the united Europe. More and more countries face the issue of both the citizens and the parties to become more euro-skeptical. There is a chance that Britain may be the first but not the last country which enables its citizens to decide whether they prefer to leave EU or stay within. I think that such decision is always followed by consequences, which will influence the people, whole societies and other nations. I will not say what I think is wrong or right, but I want to say that thanks to democracy, it happens that people who do not know much about a specific issue, take part in making the decision which always has impact on the future.
It's quite obvious to me that those who voted for Brexit were not aware of the consequences of leaving the European Union. We can see how pound has dropped in value and while for some people the weak pound is a blessing (overseas visitors), others might feel exactly the opposite. Brits who like to explore the world are probably just about to start crying. Also, and I know that first hand, the employment situation of respected Polish immigrants has just become better than it was before Brexit as many British employers are afraid of loosing the valuable Polish employees. This only proves my thesis that vast majority of Brits who voted for Brexit are people of limited capabilities who are not able to draw their own conclusions.
After all, Brits are just like any other people in any other country. I also recommend watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfDtylU8ZEA. Have fun ;)
I think that British people want to leave the EU, because of that what EU is becomes - it wants to interfere in everything which is going on in member states. In my opinion, EU should be a trade union and maybe some kind of an advisory body, but it shouldn't be superior to the state government.
In my opinion Brits didn't think it through and fell for couple of slogans hence the pretty much 50/50 split vote. And as far as I know they are still not certain about leaving EU. We should strive to unite, not separate from each other.
Kacper Zaremba said…
I consider Brexit to be very interesting opportunity for Scotland too seek independence, since it's legally impossible to force other independent country to change their relation with European Union. As far as I know Scottish people are much more pro-european than British and they would like to stay within EU.
I think people went for voting not really knowing what they are voting on. As someone mentioned before me, the main reason for going on this referendum (for some people of course) was the 'capability of own decision-making'. But it seems they didn't see the other side of it. For example the harder way of going abroad, harder then it is now in EU, etc.
Yes I agree that it will weaken the EU both economically and socially. Now people can roam nearly without any limitations to the UK. They are going there for work and boosting the economy on the 'Islands'.
When talking about military case I think that EU do not create any military forces but I might be mistaken because I'm not really interested in this topic.
That's the point they could have problem to stay united 'inside', as the United Kingdom.
We will see what will happen next...
Andrzej Gulak said…
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Moode said…
I believe that Britain separation is the beginning of the collapse of the EU, did not succeed in preserving the essence of democracy as it led the problems associated with refugees and Syrian immigration, the economy and the lack of respect the local identity of the Member States to the growing right-wing extremist movements demand for secession and full autonomy and the rise of hate speech and hate among Europeans and thus Secession response was reaction of the British people on all this.
Unknown said…
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Well, as some of my preceding speakers pointed out it's too soon to guess the posible outcome of this event. As stated in post, it will take something like 2 years to deal with all of the agreements between EU and GB (and that's optimistic esteem). For sure next few years will be hard for Britan. Many large businesses will move to other countries impacting GB economy. It is also possible that in near future we will see Scotland's another shot at leaving UK, since many are in "hey let's split" mood. Moreover, there could be a change on how Brits are percieved around the world especially during dealing with all of agreements with EU (I expect some of the negotiations to be heated).
Adam Nowak said…
"Brexit" is a populism. Nothing really important will happen. At most, GB will not be in UE officialy, but every international agreements will be kept. Brexit will take years, probably European Union will collapse earlier than Brexit would take. Why did they vote then? I think that Britons are afraid of immigrants. Why are they afraid of immigrants? It is suprising, but it's not only about terrorism and middle east immigrants. They are afraid of, at example, Poles, who are settling down in England and taking their jobs. The funny thing is, GB politicians wanted us to come to England and settle down there. At all, they benefited from immigrants, but money is not everything.
Unknown said…
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Unknown said…
I enjoyed watching this funny video as much as the boy was enjoying singing that song.
Talking about Brexit:
I'm not sure how you would square the circle, to be honest. I realize it's an inconvenient truth, but the way I see it is like this;
-Scotland voted to remain in the UK.
-The UK held a referendum on leaving the EU.
-The UK as a whole voted to leave, but Scotland (plus Northern Ireland and London), when taken in isolation, voted to remain. However, the franchise of the referendum was pretty clear that it was a UK wide issue and the result was to be UK-wide, and the condition for winning was a simple majority. It's now pretty awkward to change the franchise after the fact.
Hard to accept though it may be, I do think May has a straightforward mandate to take the entire UK out of the EU. I'm not saying it's going to make her popular in Scotland or be supported by the population, but that doesn't nullify her mandate to do it. It might increase support for independence, but again it doesn't oblige May to keep the UK in the EU.
The UK is going to become impossibly clunky if Scotland is going to remain in the union but then undermine that union by vetoing every attempt government.
Wojtek Kania said…
UE isn’t perfect, but it gives us sense of security, schools, work etc. I fear that there will be problems. In my opinion it wasn’t a good idea and also I think that a lots of people will regret that decision.
Unknown said…
United Kingdom made huge mistake voting for the "devorce" with Europien Union. It all start with the Prime Minister Cameron fatal decision few years ago to put up this referendum becouse he wanted to retain power after the elections, thinking that he performs a brilliant move. Politisians can go very, very far, even risking the future of their own country for their own political gain. Situation was fueled by British tabloid newspapers runs by Rubert Murdoch in which shares have Russians. Of course it is not true that United Kingdom only pays a lot of money to the Union and don't get anything from it. The EU has been supporting the poorest, usually mining regions of the UK, subsidizing large investments. But there, in thoes regions were surprisingly the biggest anti-EU movements. Next year will be another referendum on the exit of Scotland from the UK, because they want to stay in the European Community. Problems will multiply and solutions will fail. That's why I was recently wondering if
Brexit will really happen. It was just the referendum. Maybe in a few years they will stop this and return to EU. There are a lot of signals that it is a very likely scenario.
Unknown said…
I think that British were reckless when they decided about Brexit. I heard that after the announcement of the voting results a lot of British were looking on the Internet for information about Brexit and what the consequences will be.

On the other hand, they can be dissatisfied and frustrated, because they are one of those countries that felt used and they didn't see as many profits.
I hope that we are going to deal with the soft version.
In my opinion it was very foolish of British people to vote for leaving Europen Union. Most of them did not even know what the Brexit was really about. After the announcement huge amount of people have been already regreting their decision. I don't understand how you can decide to vote in such an important matter and have no idea about it. It is just reckless and irresponsible. For now we know only a few facts about what will happen when UK really leave UE but we can't be certain about it. It is really hard to say. I don't think that any good comes out of it. Personally I think that because of long lasting process UK will withdraw their motion and stay in UE. Below I'm posting a short video about how little knowledge British people have about Brexit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQp_OWKCW9U

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