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Week 2 [16.10-22.10.17] A Silicon Valley School That Doesn’t Compute

Read the article at http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/23/technology/at-waldorf-school-in-silicon-valley-technology-can-wait.html and comment on it/discuss it. Share with us your educational experiences.

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Andrzej Gulak said…
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Unknown said…
I think it's easy to fall into a trap of thinking that your generation and the way you think is somehow superior to younger people and how they see the world. I personally believe that the issue is similar to popularisation of books in XV century. It did not ruin peoples problem solving skills just because they could go to a library and read the solution in a book.
Unknown said…
"Those who endorse this approach say computers inhibit creative thinking, movement, human interaction and attention spans."
I don't agree. If the person is creative, nothing will prevent him from creation; he can use either graphic software or canvas to express himself.
Yes, we become lazy, we don't want to count in our minds, when it's so easy to use a calculator. Or why should we use a pencil and paper, if we can write something down using a notepad app (and it'd be better for ecology). But to not to lose skills of counting and writing it's not necessary to avoid computers and phones. It's kinda from one extreme to another.
Unknown said…
If I had kids I'd like them to attend to school described above. I really like this hands-on approach and I don't mind lower scores in standardized tests. In my opinion, time spent at elementary school is the most precious and valuable time for children to develop their skills, discover their abilities and to polish their talents. This is exactly what described school is trying to achieve by real engagement from great teachers with interesting lesson plans. In addition, it is crucial for kids to gain experience in real human connections from an early stage of life, because life is about people and there always will be someone behind even the greatest computer or technology. On the other side, tech is the most powerful factor in these days and obviously it is mandatory to not only understand how it works, but also how to use it properly. However, technology is being made as brain-dead easy to use as possible and there’s no reason why kids can’t figure it out when they get older.
Unknown said…
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Definitely the best studying method ever! I heard about it few years ago, but didn't know anything about where it is or might be. Personally, I think that this method of giving you a basic knowledge is really useful, but from the other side, you need to understand , that technologies are going far away, and you must do a huge step with them to be "a part of today's society". Learning language skills in 2nd grade it is ok, learning basic math operations in 3rd grade it is also normal, but then you need to move forward and gain new experience using new kind of technologies. Also i was amazed by the statement that these schools are using retro look blackboards with colorful chalk, bookshelves with encyclopedias, wooden desks filled with workbooks. Without any hesitation it might be not motivational, but in some way it is meaningful.
Unknown said…
In my opinion this is very good idea. This hands-on approach appeals to me. In my childhood I also didn’t have much to do with technology and now I know that it was better then it is nowadays. We can’t say that technology is bad because it isn’t but regarding children playing with tablet or laptop we can have mixed feelings. Young people need to develop their creativity, imagination and many different skills which technology will not allow them to. Also we should take into consideration very important fact. Each of leaders of Silicon Valley giants was also grown up without such technology and look what they’ve achieved. They want their kids to achieve a lot in their life and that may be why they send them to such schools.
People tend to see things in binary way- something is good or bad. There is nothing between. It turn out that in real life it is really rare that something is only harmful or developing. In my opinion co-existing of it gadgets and school is one of that situation. Of course playing angry birds on mobile phone during lesson will not affect in good way on child. But high speed network connection and accessibility of computer devices may help a lot, especially when it comes to children living in small towns or in villages. Other example is situation when someone is gifted but lives in third world country and does not have opportunity to study abroad - online courses may be solution. Other example showing that technology is not so bad as some people thins is a situation when parents are not wealthy enough to buy textbooks - a lot of great materials are available free online ( not only books, there are websites like khan academy that are full of different courses).
In 2017 technology is on of key elements of our life, it should not be forced to remove it from school. Of course we must remember about common sense - technology should be used as a toll for teaching, not being a teacher. Funny thing is that all those Google and Intel workers who send their kids to school like mentioned one in article are probably that kind of person that spend whole their childhood with computers, playing games or learning how to program and that may be the factor that made them Silicon Valley workers.
KamilG said…
I don't agree with opinion that thanks to usage of computers in education students can learn more effectively or faster. When I was at primary school, my teacher didn't use any device in classes, I was using a computer only at my home. It's true that currently kids can use smartphones, laptops at early age and it's a natural environment for them, but Finn from the article is right - devices are only devices, they can be broken down, disconnected unexpectedly - but our hands, our brains not. I think that manual and coordinating skills are very important, but we can't reach them by using only fingers on the keyboard or interactive screen. The task of a teacher is to attract students, to make them interested in, not to take shortcuts and show an app to learn to count. That's why I applaud the idea of Waldorf schools. There should be more public schools like that.
Unknown said…
So I thought that PJ was expensive. In my opinion computers make studying and everday life easy. There should be electronic books on tablets in all schools because when I watch children what they carry on their backs I'm terrified. It's a fact that coumpters make you lazy. About school system in article I think that it is good idea that children think creatively and independently. Individual development of children should be important for schools. State schools in Poland limit independent thinking of children
Unknown said…
I totally agree with you - there is not many things that are clearly good or bad.
On the one hand it is good that kids are developing creativity, that there is a lot of physical activity, so they are well coordinated.
But on the other hand - technology is around us and kids should know something about. Playing games is not important, but computer and TV are not only entertainment - there is many programs and documentaries, which are source of knowledge. You can find many educational games on computer, which I really enjoyed when I was a kid.
Technology is a tool, but you have to know how to use it - it may improve process of learning.
Unknown said…
“Besides, if you learn to write on paper, you can still write if water spills on the computer or the power goes out.”
What a great words! In my opinion, hands-on tasks are very good. "Those who endorse this approach say computers inhibit creative thinking, movement, human interaction and attention spans." I agree with that words, because children have to think what is this task about and which are the ways to complete it. What is important, they will share their ideas with each other, what increases their comunication skills. I think it's a "must have" in human relations. On the other hand, I wouldn't say, that technology is bad. Nowadays, it's growing rapidly and we have to know how to use it properly. For me, it's easy to use and hard to master. We're surfing the Internet all the time, but sometimes we don't know how to gather valuable informations and that's the thing that children have to learn.
Unknown said…
As I understood from the article, the main advantage(or rather distinction) of Waldorf school comparing to a regular one is an absence of computers, tablets and other gadgets.
And if I would ask myself "Does the child without a gadget in his hand is potentially a smarter child?", the answer would be "It depends on what does he holds instead of it". Gadgets are full of games, videos and other useless things that are harming to our concentration. It's not meant that live without them makes children smarter though - and I hope that Waldorf makes learning both interesting and useful.
The thing I didn't understand in their education system is that line from the article: "The day can start with a recitation or verse about God that reflects a nondenominational emphasis on the divine". I think that religion should not be mixed with study.
Unknown said…
Any gadget with internet connection brings a lot of entertainment, where you can turn off your mind and just watch/play until the day is over. Maybe the thing is that without an ocean of entertainment children can spend their time more effectively.
Unknown said…
I do totally agree with the last sentence. School should not be mixed with a particular religion. In school there should be religion studies that are very neutral about each religion and provide knowledge about all the biggest religions. It is up to each person to finally decide if or what they want to believe in. This is the number one reason that would disqualify this particular, and every other school that has typical religion classes, for my child, if I had one.

The important thing in schools is the practical approach, not learning children only a lot of theory, but also about how to really use it. "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime." - says a famous quote, and that is a great approach to use in schools. Lots of raw knowledge is nothing without knowing how to utilize it. This combined with carefully choosing content used at schools to educate and making classes stimulating, i.e. making children want to participate and be creative is in my opinion key to a good education, regardless of whether it is an amish school or a school filled with electronics.
Unknown said…
Eventually, the part of population has already understood that children might be taught in a way used 20 years ago. And it works! Nowadays almost every kid can use a smartphone or a tablet and it's easier for them to check on something than just to have a think. Btw,some Italian school created a class for the children, who can't write and even hold a pen. It seems to me ridiculous and it is one the consequences of using gadgets at a young age. Obviously, if I were dad, I would like my children to study at such school. They can get to know with technologies later and I don't think they're going to be worse or less modern that the others. Some parents cage up their kids in using these so-called toys and I guess it's great experience.
Foodocado said…
"Those who endorse this approach say computers inhibit creative thinking, movement, human interaction and attention spans."
I can't agree with people who think that way. Maybe there is some truth in this sentence - we are becoming more lazy using computers. We prefer to write the essey on a computer than using pen. Before we do homework we look for ready-made solutions. I can list hundreds of examples which shows how computers are bad. But we should also focus on positive aspects. Internet supplies us in many tools which can stimulate our creative thinking. The perfect example is programming. For those who love art, there is a Photoshop in which lot of people create amazing things. It's worth to mention that internet gives us billions of researches or articles and most of them are free.

Summarizing, computers are very usefull tool but only if we use them in a proper way.
Marcin Mróz said…
I think that all these people living and working in a Silicon Valley feel somehow guilty for amount of technology in their lives and they just want to recompensate it by sending their children to schools with no computers or other electronical devices. But the truth is that the world goes forward and give us new tools that we can use to make teaching easier and more entertaining. Of course, some may say that learning at Waldorf School is also entertaining without use of computers. But I believe that teachers in this school are getting paid really good money for making lessons fun for children without use of technology. But in normal, public schools teachers simply don't care about that. In this case, I think that use of computers could be really beneficial for the students. Lessons could finally become fun. Of course, dehumanizing pretty much all the processes in our lives is another part of the discussion, but I think that, in case of schools, we can keep rational balance between classic methods of teaching and methods with use of new technologies.
I like the idea of encouraging children to be more social by not using computers in school. It's seems a little strange because computer skills are now necessary for almost every job but giving those childrens a healthy childhood with development of social skills (building relationships, feeling emotions of other peoples etc.)is really importat. Beeing more human when AI can replace humans in jobs is priceless because those jobs that aren't gonna be repalced are those which require empathy, abstract point of view and other 'human skills'. And beeing 'more human' is not only important for a carieer but for whole society.
As always I don't really know what to say. Firstly - I don't think the problem with kids that cannot imagine spending 5 mins without gadgets is on the school side. Most of those youngsters learned from parents that when they are bored they gets phone to play with it so they are not problematic and distracting. It is not tiring and "fun" so they learn to do it often. What is cool about this school is the way that they learn synchronizing both body and brain. My school actually did something similar and I really liked it. On the other hand I think that anti-tech thing is a bit to much.
Unknown said…
Let me quote:“Besides, if you learn to write on paper, you can still write if water spills on the computer or the power goes out.” That is true, but to be honest, at this point if there was no power, we would go back to stone age as we as humanity are evolving from 0 grade to 1st grade race which is global communication in one common language and possibility to control nature. Computer from like 20 years are and will be FOREVER, nonstop present in our lives as we are evolving. It means that everyone will daily use electronic device. This is our future if you want it or not. You can try to stop it but you can't stop evolution. This is beautiful that we live in times when humanity is evolving.
Yevhen Shymko said…
Technology is not an answer to education its just a tool. Leaning in either way is bad due to limiting yourself.Even thou human interaction might be more effective unfortunately there is not enough good teachers to teach everyone and creating some course by the best teachers definitely better then average teacher who is not passion about his subject. As professional teacher can be it just not humanly possible to go through material in class with individual speed so the best students will be bored and worth ones will feel pressure. Future is for sure after technology with personification of study plan where each child get material in exactly the for they learn proficient at according speed.
Vladlen Kyselov said…
In my opinion, in modern society, the use of technology is an indispensable part, of course, if humanity wants to evolve. Method of studying in that article is just one of many others and I do not agree that students should study preferably without using technologies. Especially for kids using a different kind of devices and interactions will inspire them to learn something new, to widen their abilities, to make it much more interesting then justing reading a book or coping some moves "how to do" from the teacher. However, finding new methods of teaching students is important even without using modern technologies, but just as a part of the studying, only as one subject in the class. So I would like to say that the best way of education is mixing various methods of studying.
Not having Google or any other technological help while studying, while might hurt might also lead to some great out of the box ideas for a solution to a problem.
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Filip Sawicki said…
While it is true that using a computer can be optimal for a learning process, there are subjects that mostly benefits from traditional approach of educating. We want to make our society more intelligent and teach them even faster than ever before. To achieve that there must be some compromise between technology and tradition. Why won’t we combine both approaches, extract pros and create educational system that is fun and efficient. I don’t like the idea of sticking to either sides of the spectrum (like in the article) this shouldn’t be binary. I guess there is a golden mean for this problem, we just have to open up to new ideas.
Unknown said…
I didn't think that schools like that still exists. It definitely improve social skills and communication, but I'm not sure if this is good idea to exclude computers and other gadgets from studying process by 100 percentages, especially when computers became important part of our lifes.
Also such kind of education requires best teachers and books. In normal school if you don't know something you just google it and in Waldorf school responsibility for knowledge falls on teachers shoulders, so teacher should really know how to teach and it bothers me, because not everyone could be the best teacher.
Sylwia Pechcin said…
In my opinion this whole situation can have pros and cons. Children who grow up with computers and smartphones are usually antisocial and stupid. They can't manage everyday situation without googling it. On the other hand if they don't know how to use tech devices they will be as well stupid and left backwards.
If I were to choose I wouldn't send my child to such school.
I think that computers are needed in schools. Nowadays technology skills are very important for us - Internet and proper handling of different types devices are great source of knowledge. Of course, we can not restrict ourselves to use only devices without brain! Skills in counting, writing, reading are basic and everyone must know it well.
I didn't say technology (computers, smartphones and tablets) are in the first place in learning but this is priceless education supplement. It's hard to oversee young people to don't abuse technology, because computers, smartphones are very interesting and addictive for them but we must strive for it to show them power of technology, how they can use this, in what situation is this helpful for them, and in what situation is unnecessary.

Summarizing newest technology is important in learning and for me that would be one of the main subject in school but remember we have one's feet on the ground.
Unknown said…
I would have to hear more about this teaching philosophy but in my experience, I might believe that it is appropriate way to teach childrens. These days we can see that parents gives fully access to all kind of technologies like smartphones or tv for their kids. Does they use these for learning? I don't think so. In my opinion kids should have limited access to TV, computers and certainly they don't need it on math or music lesson. It distract their attention and it lower their involvment during a lesson.

As a programmer I can easy understand that people which are aware of high-tech don't want to let their kids to use e.g. a Google. It is really destructive believe that Google can answer on every your question. You have to be smart enought to filter information which you find. It concerns not only the Internet but also TV. School like the Waldorf in Silicon Valley tries to protect their students from become a mindless zombies.
Unknown said…
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Unknown said…
Looks like good and well-handled approach for education for me. Nowadays, the world is packed with technologies. It is easy to learn how to use them, but it is hard to save the balance between real world and virtual.

I don't want to offend anybode, but most of the people are stupid. And Internet provides a possibility for stupid people to be heard. And they are not just giving their opinion, they are shouting them out, "destroying" everyone who disagree with them. So the purpouse of such schools is really clear - to teach children that technologies are only tools, and first of all, you need to rely on yourself, not on Google. You need to learn, how to process the data before accept it. And if you don't, you'll become a slave of ones and zeros, and the most horryfying part of such slavery - you can't be freed from it.
Unknown said…
I totally agree, that technology should be introduced to young people as late as possible. Everybody should get to know the natural rythm of life and learn how to solve problems by themselves before diving in virtual reality.

The truth is, technology doesn't make learning easier by definition. Computers, smartphones, tablets - they are just tools. How we use them is up to us. Of course, some advantages tablets have over traditional books are undeniable. Single tablet can store thousands of books and can do much more but we must remember that "great power comes with great responsibility". If we let children use such devices, we, as adults, are obliged to teach them how to use them properly.

What I think matters the most, is not whether we let children use computers at school or not, but do teachers actually do their job correctly. Majority of schools in the world use the educational system created and popularized in XIX century Prussia. This is the system we all know too well - sitting in a class, listening to teacher's lecture, doing boring, monothematic tasks both at school and at home and then cramming for the test, probably one day before. This cancerous system spread to other countries of the world, as everybody was impressed by how "well organised" the prussian education was.

Right now, we are still slaves of this system even though scientific researchers show us it's highly inefficient. Having said that, I see, that the biggest success of the school described in the blog post, is that it uses new teaching techniques that help children memorise new information and entertains them at the same time.

For those fo you that are interested in education and efficient way of learning, I recommend Radek Kotarski's new book - "Włam się do mózgu". It opened my eyes.
Maciej Główka said…
I've never heard about waldorf methodology. It sounds really interesting, especially in XXI century. Nowadays more and more parents give cellphones and tablets to their 3 or 4 year old children. In my opinion it's terrible idea. I know that nowadays using computer is as basic ability as reading or writing, but I think it should be taught with care. That's why I liked Waldorf methodology after I've read this article. Of course children will have to learn to use computer, google etc, but I think kindergarten or primary school is not a good place and time to do it.
Unknown said…
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Everyday technology is expanding and new devices are created on new days. Computers are used by millions of users and have become everyday images in every home. Once it was impossible and it was considered an invention. Today each of us improves our daily work using modern technology. We can not stop development and it is beautiful. I hope that the solutions will soon reach other planets. Do you think this is possible?
Unknown said…
This article reminded me of childhood because Not so long ago My Sister when she went to school, the information was searched from the encyclopedia not from google search like now. I also remember how my sister had to make a poster cut pictures from newspapers haha :). Now computers are very easy to learn and good that I can study with computer

Unknown said…
Nowadays technology should be present in the schools, because it can extend traditional teaching. One example are interactive blackboards. They can really boost student's knowledge, because kids learn through play usually more efficiently. However, electronic devices cannot replace traditional books. In many studies it turned out that it is easier for a student to learn by reading from a piece of paper than from a tablet's screen. Technology is something that boosts our development, but it also might be a source of distraction. If we use it moderately, everything will be right.
In my opinion not using the computers while studying subjects like math, grammar and so on is right. But it is not right to stop using computers in schools at all. Furthermore, I think that more subjects related to computers must appear in normal schools(like basic programming, photo edition etc.). Because it is the future, progress never stops.
It is hard for elderly to understand that, because nowadays children use computers and other devices maybe even more frequently than their teachers. Games described in article, on the other hand, were something primitive for me and other children of my generation. And of course children from new generations won't feel any enthusiasm too.
In addition computers may assist teachers, children and parents in schools. For example bringing less books(when having them on laptop), having online marks system and many others features.
I have mixed feelings about this Waldorf School of the Peninsula's education system. Times are changing and removing technology completely from education is no sense. Technology nowadays makes our lives so much easier. Why should we remove it from education system? It's like killing a goose with the golden eggs. The only problem is to use it appropriately. On the other hand, contemporary children are getting addicted to technology so fast. Forcing them to use computers at school are also not good for their health. The golden mean is key to achieve success at this problem.
Unknown said…
Modern technology helps a lot while studying. We can get any information (or almostany) we desire, and do so in seconds. Whyat would have happened if we would resign from using modern technology? To get answers people would either have to try doing something by themselves, or asking and searching for a really long time. That would be inefficient. Of course libraries would thrive yet consider the amount of paper we would need to use if we needed more books?
Certainly we should use technology but not 100% of time, as it can be distracting, and addicting.
The world around us is changing at an ever-increasing pace, but can we really adapt? Evolution takes time and we as the animals are a part of it, whether we like it or not. The most successful examples, if we define success as the number of years that species survive without becoming another branch broken off the ever bearing tree of life, are the ones that take time to change. Sometimes a quick change is a necessity to stay afloat in this never ending race, but what if the rapid change is not a form of adaptation and is too unstable and damaging to everything, then I believe we took a wrong turn somewhere along our path.

When it comes to Waldorf schools I do welcome the philosophy ingrained in their way of doing things. Paradoxically knitting needles and mud, while not as flashy as computer screens, have something that makes them much more customizable and new every time we use them. That thing is human interaction, face to face human interaction, which is not hidden beside some electrical box. There is something to the saying that the more connected we are the more lonely we feel and maybe that's the biggest selling point for these schools, that is parents wanting their children's youth to somewhat resemble their own upbringing. Maybe, when at some point in the future the lights go off for good, they will be the ones who will manage to survive in the new world and be responsible for creating a different, much warmer society, but then it might be possible that detachment from the surrounding world is inherently associated with technology.
Vyvyan said…
Lack of technology in children education has no sense for me. We need to know how to use computers, calculators etc. Browsing information is quicker while using computer. Calculating is quicker when we are using calculators. Of course it's not like I'm saying that we have to stop using our minds and don't understand how machines calculate 2+2. We need to understand this but in my opinion, we can save plenty of time while using machines.
If we speak about children, I think that it is important to teach them how to use technology wisely because we have tendency to addict to technology. So technology in children education - yes but prudently.
Unknown said…
Teaching children not to use computers and other hi-tech things is in my opinion very good. Computer makes life easier. People want to make life easier, so they buy computers, without thinking what would happen if they cannot use technology. And companys are producing computers beacuse of that. The point is: children shoudn't use computers when they don't know how to deal with life when computers are vanished. Not using computers teaches them how to deal with such situations. Of course they should learn how to use computers. The point is: children should learn to live the hard way, so they would have life much easier in future.
I don't agree with this at all. Refraining from teaching kids how to use technology to make their lifes easier is just plain stupid and doesn't encourage them to be more creative or less lazy. Yes, in the past there were no computers or that advanced technology and people were completely fine with it, but in the past people were living in caves and they were fine too.

If you ask me, I strongly believe that children should be taught both - using creativity and hard ways of achieving something, as well as how to use available technology to make those tasks easier. Refraining from using computers totally will only lead to being actually less smart and experienced than other kids, and computer knowledge is absolutely critical today in almost every kind of a job, and it'll be even more critical in the future. It is important to show kids the right way to use them, not saying they're bad and they should be forgotten.
Bartosz Łyżwa said…
It's very interesting way to teach children because those kids have to understand how does it work firstly and have to take knowledge in other way as majority. When I was child I haven't comuter that "knows" everything, it was only the way to play but I rather preffered to play outside :). Then I couldn't even dream about internet and google. I had to ask parents or find what I want in books. In my opinion it was better way because it's simple to remember if you'll spend few minutes to find knowlegde rather than few seconds in google. On the other way, we have to remember that technology is going forward and it's everywhere around us and we have to know how to live in this world.
I think not having a computer in a classroom is not a bad thing. Devices like phones, iPads and computer are a distraction. While I’m against banning them from everyday use I believe teacher’s approach and class syllabus should be enough to make learning interesting and fun. For me sitting in a classroom was an escape from technology that surrounds us everywhere we go. Although after doing some more reading the problem with Waldorf’s school approach is that it doesn’t teach core subjects. Children attending those schools often don’t learn reading until they are older or haven’t heard of periodic table. I’m all for teaching creative thinking, developing unique individuality and learning by experience but in my opinion those schools shouldn’t cross out teaching basic knowledge – after all it’s called basic for a reason.
Unknown said…
In my opinion there is no need to use electronic devices intended to education, in kindergarten and also in primary school. Kids need to learn interaction between each other, how to live in real life and using imagination to solve problems. On the other hand I think the computers and other electronic devices could be useful in high school to perform some calculations, visualize some difficult process, school e-books etc. But there is another problem, should have access to internet? Using prepared by teacher materials has sense for me, but using web during lessons, not exactly. Popular services provided by computer giants are very user friendly and there is no need to tech that, maybe only in computer-science class. Internet connection could be distracting for children, because of facebook and other social media sites.
I have mixed feelings about this project. On one hand it's a good idea to force kids to search for the solution of the problem without the Internet (it will develop their creativity and problem solving thinking). But on the other hand, we live in times, where every peace of information is processed by computers, and maybe lack of computer classess could make them not prepared for present world.
I read the article and also few comments below - I think as always, the truth lays somewhere in the middle. I am not saying that completely getting rid of computers is a good thing and as everything they can be used in a good or a bad way. For me watching as there is an app for everything today is quite sad, because it makes children not to experiment so much and not to find a solution and path of their own. Making a lot of exercises that develops your imagination and creative way of thing is a good thing and that is a big plus in that school. I cannot say that I did not have a lot of creative ways of changing normal way of study into interesting one - I loved my chemistry classes when I made a lot of things that was not a part of normal learning program, including controlled foam explosion :) But I can say Thank You to my amazing teacher for that. Also PO classes was the best where I learnt how to shoot an AK47, Mourse Code and many interesting things about flying and military. Manual and coordinating skills are very important, but you can still have activities to develop the one that interests you the most - not everything has to be chosen by school.
Jakub Lisicki said…
I'm pretty sure that we can't go too far either way - we don't need technology in every aspect of our lives, but I also think that we cannot simply go cold turkey on technology. This specific branch of science is only going to evolve pretty rapidly, and our only chance to understand what becomes of it in the future is getting used to it as early as possible. I think Waldorf's attitude would be great idea for things like holiday school, but not having access to technology at school for almost eight grades seems pretty crazy to me.

Let's also remember that it's still the children living in the Sillicon Valley, they can't really escape from technology so it shouldn't be that bad for them after all.
Unknown said…
I agree with the viewpoint presented by parents of the children attending Waldorf schools in that they are denying the need of using computers in teaching some basic skills like grammar or simple arithmetic. These are the areas where, in my opinion, children should strengthen their attention and concentration and using computers may prevent them from putting effort in solving e.g.: equations or quizzes. I especially liked the example of teaching fractions by cutting up food as it creates the connection between theoretical knowledge and its practical applications in everyday life. On the other hand, I would not agree with the statement that computers should be excluded from learning process at early stages of education. This may sound trivial, but I think that using computers and other electronic devices in schools, as everything else in education, should be done in a reasonable and flexible way. I would say that children should be acquainted with Information Technology from early childhood. This can be done in several ways in schools, from my perspective one of the best solution is teaching children programming using simple and tailor-made programming languages such as “Scratch” - programming language designed by MIT for educational purposes. The article also points out a wider problem – nowadays children are often using technology without any control from their parents. That’s obviously not the case of the parents mentioned in the article as they are well-educated and highly qualified IT professionals. But when it comes to an average family, it is quite common situation when parents, instead of spending time with their children e.g.: playing outside or going to the cinema, tend to give children a smartphone or a computer and let them play games for long hours. This seems to be convenient for parents as they can take care of other things, but in fact it can lead to serious consequences like: computer games addiction, exposure to inappropriate contents, decrease in children’s physical activity.
Tomasz Morawski said…
It feels like going from one extreme to another. I can understand limiting the use of technology at school but not banning it completely. The world is changing and those parents should acknowledge that instead of isolating their children, since it can have negative effects in the future. I'm also pretty sure that a lot of Google employees actually had the Atari in their childhood and it probably turned out quite helpful for them.
Anyway, Americans tend to make themselves more and more stupid so maybe it's one of their methods.
Unknown said…
I've read this text before. I think that in the beginning stage of the child's life the approach they use in this school is very good.Children learn logical thinking and develop many new skills.By getting technical news, children from an early age get used to easy solutions. They think that it don't make sense to educate themselves because they will do everything for the iPad.
I think people working on new technologies every day know they are not reliable. They also know that to comprehend how a computer works, you first have to understand many other things. They don't want bad future for their childrens so they want to provoke them to start thinking and developing their brains. I think that's okay.

What about me and my shool... I was in a school similar to that described in the article. It was irritating me to learn things that I would never use, but I know it had purpose. What's more, the things I thought I'd never get used to suddenly became useful.
Unknown said…
First, I think guys from Silicone Valley know what they do:)
Second, those parents are giving a happy childhood to their kids and it is awesome. Because not only education and skills matter. It is very important for children to grow up being healthy - physically and mentally. With such educational system they have a chance to interact and socialize, to solve simple problems, to learn basic things, essential for a normal life.
I don't think that computers and gadgets should be hidden away, but parents just have to show, that life can be interesting and amazing without it. So the kid would be informed about the existence of technology, but also would be busy with some other useful stuff not to beg his parents to play PlayStation or surf the web. And this is the super skill in parenting and pedagogy - to explain, to interest in a calm way.
I wish my potential children could visit such school)
Zygmunt Z said…
Waldorf old-school approach to teaching happens to be one of the best. Children learn everything the old way, like their parents did and they really increase their level of creativity. If they were able to use Google or anything else, their creativity would rapidly decrease and in the end they would be lost. If they want to follow their parents professional path, they have to develop creative thinking as it is, next to analytical thinking, the most important ability needed in Information Technology business. Our parents didn’t have the ability to learn with a help of computer, it was a very human experience which required a lot of attention and engagement. Now, they work with computers even though they did not when were younger. Creativity helped them to “tame” these machines. I don’t think that in the near future children will be able to imagine learning without help of computer. It is a fact that we will have to face and make everything that the children will still have the ability to think creatively and will not search every solution on the Internet instead of think about it by themselves.
Unknown said…
I really do share the idea of this kind of education for children because if we will make the life of the younger generation fully comfortable, they will not be able th invent something in their future, and all the tempo of the technological progress will be lost forever. I'm really thankful to my parents for educating me "the old way". I was fully protected from the technology world by absence of money and by technical backwardness of my native country. All the movies I watched in my childhood were recorded on tapes and when I got my first phone, they were completely prohibited in my school. So all I could use it for is just calling my mom to say that I am going home. While visiting school we got only the notebook and a pen. We were educated to do the things using our own abilities. No Google, no calculators and no computers. Also I think that my generation is the last one, which is not completely wasted by gadgets. Of course they are making our life much mor comfortable and entertaining, but as for me, it is still a bit weird to use an e-book or smart watch in my daily life.
What about the school, I think that Idea is not so bad, but when we are discussing the education for children in Silicone Valley, than this is just one more awesome way to earn some money by educating the rich kids by "different thinking". There is also a lit of things I can say on this topic, but the main idea is expressed.
Unknown said…
I really don’t know if I agree on the idea of no computers in early education or not. I myself learned a lot thanks to access to technology when I was a kid.
On one hand, yeah, there’s no need for computers in classrooms. Teachers should be able to keep the kids engaged in the class without electronics. Relying solely on technology during classes should never be a thing.
On the other, technology is almost everywhere now so kids should learn to live with it as soon as possible. The big problem that we can see even now is that there’s too much information available to us and the challenge is to know what is correct and what isn’t. That’s what kids should learn.

Technology is a great tool, we just need to know how to use it properly.
Unknown said…
Computers are a great help in learning. However, on the other hand computers sometimes disperse us much more then helping to focus. Computers are used by millions of people so we should learn how they can help us to do something. We should know how to solve the problems without help of technolog. In future electronic devices will replace books, papers, pens and pencils. I think it is good if computer can improve our skills, but we should know how to do something without them. After a long thought, I think the truth lies in the middle. In my opinion children should be learn creative thinking and also show how use computer to do some tasks for us.
Wojtek Kania said…
For me the most funny example in this topic will be Steve Jobs. His company invented iPad and promoted as great learning tool. But his children had ban on using iPad. He said: "They haven't used it. We limit how much technology our kids use at home." And in his biography we can read: "Every evening Steve made a point of having dinner at the big long table in their kitchen, discussing books and history and a variety of things". Well I think computers or tablets may help learn, but I on first years in school children shouldn't use these devices.
Unknown said…
At first I wouldn't agree that technology should be banned in classrooms. But I guess there has to be balance kept as to how much kids are detached from reality and how much do they know only computers. Interaction with "mud" should also be possible and encouraged. Computers and technology also can be great at assiting creative learning, we can't deny that but it's all dependent on how much we use it as balanace between everything should exist.
Wojtek Protasik said…
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Wojtek Protasik said…
I agree that schools or rather the whole education sector should not strive to computerize their teaching methods nor they should change their approach. I believe people develop properly when not exposed to distractions such internet, phones, games. All of these , how not useful they are, become addictions and make us rather emotionally underdeveloped.

If you think of how many people waste time, destroy relationships or simply don’t make them because of all the technology distractions you start wondering what is the proper way of raising a generation, so they can avoid that by their own judgement.

To be a parent is to be responsible, and although it’s hard to make a final judgement and evaluate how bringing tech into schools affects the young ones I believe that the rule one should be not to cause any harm. You can’t say that about exposing children to distorted technology world.
Alicja said…
It sounds like an excellent school.

Every school that teaches critical thinking and has dedicated, highly skilled teachers who can give enough attention to every kid is beneficial. I believe these factors contribute significantly to the success of Waldorf School of the Peninsula.
I am not convinced that completely banning the use of technology is a good solution. Especially that, contrary to what Mr. Eagle says, technological skills are not "supereasy". It is crucial not only to learn how to use the technology but also how the technology works and why it works.

Maybe the key is to balance the use of technology with human contact in order to stimulate the creative thought process and human engagement but not to create technologically disabled kids. There are plenty of technological toys for kids, like Lego robotics, which they can work on together to create fun and innovative solutions.
Unknown said…
Technology is present in our life and we shoudnt banned it. I think our society is addicted from technology. Technology is very good to learn because we can find information very fast and without any problem. We should just enter our problem to google. In the past we have to go to libery and then find information or have very big library. Maybe some different customs like banned technology is good but i think not in school. We can do some meetings without technology and then we could have some free time from phones and internet

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