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Week 5 [07.11 - 13.11.2016] Revolution(?) in power storage

     Probably everyone who reads this post uses Lithium batteries. They are used in our phones, toys, and tools. Nowadays some companies produce cars using them (Tesla, for example). If properly handled, they seem harmless. But, when misused, they become small bombs. Just take a look at a recent article about Galaxy Note 7:

https://konwersatorium1-ms-pjwstk.blogspot.com/2016/10/week-4-2410-30102016-what-catastrophe.html

or watch this movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1n2ue9QmdM

    Thanks to advanced technology and billions of dollars invested in batteries research by companies throughout the world we can enjoy efficient (compared to other batteries) storage of electric power.
Compared to other available power sources used by humans (fuel, for this example), batteries are expensive and inefficient, mostly due to long recharge time. That is why electric road transportation cannot compete with gasoline, despite the fact that electric engines weigh less, are safer, and way more efficient than gasoline ones. They don't need such devices attached like a gearbox or a clutch. If we were able to store electricity as efficiently as fuel, "normal" cars would be gone in no time.

    You probably also have heard about graphene. Inventors of this carbon structure have been awarded with the Nobel prize. It was also quite popular subject in Poland, thanks to the company Nano Carbon, which was first to produce it on an industrial scale.

Carbon structure. Wikipedia

   Those two seemingly separate topics have recently received a common point. A Chinese company called Dongxu Electronics have recently presented first graphene battery.
Graphene battery pack. digitaltrends.com
   According to Dongxu chairman Li Zhaoting, the battery presented above has 4800 mAh (which is 1.5 times of power stored in standard phone cells) can be charged in 15 minutes and can last for 3500 recharge cycles. Common Li batteries need a lot more time to gain such charge and their lifespan is about 7 times shorter than the presented device. It is also said that graphene batteries would allow bendable batteries to be produced.

    So far, executives of Dongxu have not revealed when graphene batteries will be available in stores. Until then specification and performance of such devices are only promises. However, I do believe it can be next "big thing" in the technology world. What do you think? How long will we have to wait until such devices will be available in local shops? Do you think electric cars are the future?



Comments

Sylwia Pechcin said…
Many people are negative about electic cars. They say that it doesn't make sense because of a long charging time and a neccesery of frequency of charging. I must admit, that I didn't hear about graphene batteries, but is seems really promising. Predominantly when something seems to be "big thing" it really is :) I believe that graphen batteries will be a great breakthrough in the technology world, it will simplify our daily lifes (we will not be so reliant on access to a electic socket).
Unknown said…
Yes, in my opinion these batteries are gonna be very useful for us. I haven't heard about it yet, but it sounds really good. About the cars - I know that the idea is good, it's gonna help to safe our environment, and there is many others advantages of it, but...there is a lot of people who doesn't like the idea. But the specialists are working on this topic so I think we are going to see the results soon. Yes, I think that probably after some time electric cars will replace the ones we have now.
Unknown said…
It sounds really promising :) I believe that there is many people, who need fast charging and long lasting batteries, in their phone, laptops and other devices.
If they are made of graphene will they be
biodegradable? If yes, that would be great, because today's batteries are killing environment.
I believe that electric cars are the future, but not in their today's form. They have to be more refined, efficient and there have to be better infrastructure (places to charge etc.)
Its a very important stage for developing further technologies. It would change everything. There are a lot of cool gadgets on the market but they are not so popular due to the low performance of batteries. For example - smart watches. It's not so cool to recharge it every 6 hours because it drains battery so fast. It's against a concept of watches being smart. In my humble opinion developing new type of batteries will change a lot.
Unknown said…
Now is the time when we as a society have to find new sorces of energy, I am really glad that someone works on that. First of all our environment needs that help and change from us. I have impression that we have forgotten about natural world beeing focused on technology development and our more and more comfortable life. We can not keep on doing and thinking this way, but it seems like society starts to change e.g by inventions like the one mentioned in your presentation.
Dajana Kubica said…
Humanity must look for other sources of energy because our inventory is already the end. Oil in a few years runs out, and we would have been left with nothing. I think it's great that scientists are still seeking to find other sources of energy. It is a matter of several years, as we discover more efficient battery charging technology. I think that within 20 years the traditional gasoline cars leave to rest, and gas stations will be replaced with stations to charge the battery. I think that these cars would be more popular if there were more places where you can recharge them. At the moment I met with them only in the Blue City and the headquarters of Orange Polska in Warsaw.
I'm a fan of electric cars but in order to make them more popular its price would have to be lowered because it's still a pricey car and the battery needs to be better although it's not that bad. Supposedly the Tesla battery doesn't degregate as much. Tesla Model S' battery pack loses about 5% of its original capacity within the first 80,000km and then the degradation significantly slows down. The 90% (which is recommended) charged battery suffice for around 300 km although it depends on driving conditions.

One of the problems with the battery is that it discharges when the car isn't used. There are other factors that affect battery capacity like temperature, frequent full-charging etc.
Ihor Ahnianikov said…
That's just great! I think that electric cars are indeed the future, but there're still many issues related to storing and transferring energy. Currently electric cars and other electric solutions are promoted as "eco" alternatives, but actually producing lithium batteries and utilizing them is not not environmentally friendly process at all - I hope that graphene will help to resolve this issue.
Unknown said…
For me, the electric cars are asexual. However, they are the future because hybrids give an amazing performance. I think in the future hydrogen engines will be used daily. Electric motors would have been good if they had landed on distance. But then we started to light up. Electric motors are expensive and inefficient. Hybrids are expensive but burn less fuel. People will buy a small diesel because it costs less and burns the same. I hope that I will never see the lack of engine sound.
Michał Pycek said…
A couple years back, when the world has heard about electric cars, my attitude was, gently speaking, not so positive and enthusiastic. I thought that electric cars would not have any use, since the companies were not ready to produce such cars and supply the world with battery or charging stations. Another thing I thought about was of course (already mentioned) the sound of an engine - to me it is one of the most incredible sounds.
Today I think differently, I have driven electric cars a couple of times and I must admit, they move smoothly, they are very economic, unbelievably silent, but also (I was quite surprised about it) accelerate very fast. I think that they are definitely the future of transportation, because of the more and more popular opinions and strict laws regarding saving the environment and not polluting it.
Unknown said…
Thanks for sharing an interesting information about graphene batteries. I hope that smartphones and laptops with such batteries would be produced soon. I think that today's lifetime of graphophone battery is very low. I personally always carry 2 power banks in a backpack. Because few times the phone was getting discharged because of a battery drain of some apps and I was getting late for meetings. It’s not easy to find a place without Google Maps and Jakdojade for example.

Talking about electro mobiles I’d really like to have Tesla. I think it’s a big step in our history. Elon Mask is making a really great work with his team. I’d really like to have an electric bicycle to travel on longer distances in summer. The perfect solution would be if I’m able to charge it while rolling the pedals.

Another interesting branch in this topic is electric planes. In 2016, Solar Impulse 2 was the first solar-powered aircraft to complete circumnavigation of the world.
I agree with you. Our common used Lithium batteries are very ineffective and we need to replace them as soon as possible. I think that electric transport would evolve a lot if this graphene batteries will come to life.
I hope the graphene batteries will be soon available because this would revolutionize our energetic sector.
That would be great if they would replace the normal cars, it will help to save our environment a lot :)
Yes, unfortunately there are few charging station here in Poland. When I was in Paris the charging stations for electric cars were on every bigger street. :D
Kacper Zaremba said…
I am impatiently waiting for some revolution in battery industry. Right now it's the biggest disadvantage of smartphones. I always have to carry charger, or a powerbank for my smartphone to feel reassured, that I won't loose contact with the rest of the world. The car industry is waiting for such revolution as well. Right now Tesla can travel around 400 kilometres (depending on model and engine), and then needs about 40 minutes of charging. In a car with traditional engine, you can get even 1000 kilometres on a single tank, and then you need like 5 minutes for refueling it again. Electric cars may be good in city for daily commuting and charging at night, but when it comes to travelling across country they are barely useful. I hope graphen batteries will change that.
kondrat said…
Today electric cars can easily drive for over 300 km. If you take a look at the network of Tesla superchargers you will find out that without any complications you are able to drive for eg. to Spain. Supercharger can charge tesla fully just in 30 minutes! Every driver needs a pause after 300km of driving, so it is not an issue.
Unknown said…
Electric cars are probably going to be the only cars in the near future. The only reason the developement and deployment goes slower than it should is the fact that petrol is still valueable to some.

Tesla might be a good indication of how the future will look like. Maybe it does not perform as well as some of the petrol cars, but the next models might change that.
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Unknown said…
When it comes to electric cars in the more developed countries is more and more electric cars. In some countries, if someone buys a Tesla, the state returns 15% of the price and still get some discounts. In Poland is unfortunately a small number of electric cars. The main reason is the lack of charging stations for electric cars
I really can’t wait when it replace Li-Ion batteries, which are becoming ineffective. That “upgrade” will make a huge difference in portable devices, allowing them to have new power consuming components.
The electric car industry will also thrive on this invention, I hope that with graphene batteries they will quickly replace traditional cars.
Unknown said…
Nowadays, new technology and innovative products appear every few weeks, the speed of changes in electronic Industry is really impressive. That's why I think, we won't be waiting long for batteries, that you described in article. In my opinion, keeping in memory recent Samsung problem with batteries, whole industry really need new type of batteries, more efficient and safer, so that phones and phones could be even more thinner than they are right now.
What about electric cars? I think it is a future of transportation. However, I hope that petrol cars won't extinct. Electric cars are undoubtedly more efficient, more ecological than cars nowadays. They are also much more expensive, so to make them more popular countries should have some tax refunds to make them more affordable for normal people.
Unknown said…
I never heard about graphene batteries before, but what you wrote in the article sounds really promising. Battery life is a big problem in most devices and I hope it's going to change soon.
Sadly, fast changes are not exactly in the interest of big companies and we probably have to exhaust our natural resources if we want new technologies to take over. Maybe electric cars are not so fast and comfortable to use but we should compromise if we want to protect our environment.
Wojtek Kania said…
When you look at inventions like these you realise how much technology is moving ahead. Probably this, what we abstract thinking about, will substitute for ours devices whose we usually using. These batteries are big move in development of new technologies too. Actually day by day something new is arising. Technology is faster and more effective. We will see what the future will bring.
Unknown said…
I hope so much that one day people will realize how helpful are the electric cars for our environment and this will help to save our planet. I've heard that in the Netherlands government is going to ban the use and sale of vehicles with engines running on natural gas, gasoline or diesel fuel by 2025. I guess it's a wonderful idea. Humanity is hurting the environment, and now, as a civilized society, we must start to repay debts. Some people think that this is too short a time to switch to the electric vehicles, but it is definitely worth trying.

As for battery life - there is no limit to perfection. I always travel with a power bank to charge my gadgets and I have no problems with that, but, to tell the truth, it would be better without this huge heavy thing in my bag.
I'm really skeptical about news with graphene. There was really loud about it, but as far I'm concerned it's not used in any industrial market. Short battery life is one of my biggest problems when it comes to technology. I use my laptop and phone almost all the time what makes me to hunt for every free socket to recharge batteries. I never leave house without fully charged power bank. All this things lower user experience.

If somebody will sell those batteries, take my money, I want them unless they won't cost my annual earnings.

When you wrote about electric cars, only one thing came to my mind - Tesla. I'm Elon Musk's fan not only when it comes to cars, but also I admire his SpaceX program. I would like to own my piece of this technology and drive Tesla every day.
Unknown said…
Of course, these types of batteries are the future, as well as electric cars. But every advance, every technological innovation has to wait for its time. First, we need to maximize the use of current technology. We have to wait for the moment when the future technology will be as profitable as todays. Electric cars was the main topic of the next generation cars since the late 70s, at the first serious global fuel crisis and in my opinion this type of cars will become the standard in a few decades from now.
Unknown said…
Personally I'm huge Tesla enthusiast. I really hope they will somehow integrate graphene batteries to their cars and develop proper network of chargers in Poland. That would really have inpact on popularity of these cars in our country.

I don't think the batteries will be something really big. This invention will just make charging easier. This could be like 4G in batteries world.
Unknown said…
I think that if electric cars would be able to be charged in time of twenty-something minutes we would never go back to cars, its so much more efficient and eco-friendly.
Unknown said…
Especially that there are still people who collect older cars.
Unknown said…
Surely, companies like Tesla are pionieers in such projects (their superchargers), however we need somethin easily avialable for common citizens.
Unknown said…
I think that efficient cheap and light batteries would be "fuel engine" or "steam engine" of our times.
Unknown said…
It's not surprise that batteries discharge, especially in winter, lets hope that scientist can solve such problems.
Unknown said…
Well, since it is structure of carbon, it looks promising. Lets hope mass production of graphene does not take too much chemicals.
Unknown said…
Of course there will be people who prefers fuel engines. Who does not like sound of 5l V8, right?
Unknown said…
Yes, if batteries would be more eco-friendly then electric cars would be great alternative to "normal" cars.
Unknown said…
And our cities, imagine if there would be no exhaust gas from cars!
Unknown said…
I think that long charging time is the biggest problem with electric cars. Nobody will seriously consider car that needs 1h stop every 400 km.
Unknown said…
Thats a good question:
does some oil companies mob governments and smaller companies?
Unknown said…
Thats is interesting idea, there should be reward for caring for environment.
Unknown said…
I don't like to be pessimistic, but I think you might be right. Some people surely don't like the idea of oil being useless.
Unknown said…
Who wouldn't like such car? I think that even if there is already prototype of such battery it will take years before someone will start produce in massive amounts.
Unknown said…
To be honest, I'm not a fan of electric cars. There are two main reasons.

First of all, I'm not interested in this topic and that's why I know about it very little. Of course, progress is very impressive, but I know it will be a lot of time before I can afford it.

Second, nowadays there are some "problems" with electric cars (as many people above said) such as charging, range or speed. Car is very important thing in my life - tool for move and just pleasure and convenience ;) It would take me a lot of time every day to "solve" it (I mean e.g. waiting for charging).

On the other hand, I'm not opponent and I really look forward to satisfying solutions. The same with smartphones, laptops and so on. I keep my fingers crossed!

Guys, do you know there is a plan to build the most modern station in Warsaw? Look at it: http://autokult.pl/28688,najnowoczesniejsza-stacja-benzynowa-swiata-powstanie-w-warszawie
Great article, Paweł, very interesting topic. I really support the idea of electric cars. In fact, I'm a big Tesla fan too.
Two biggest problems of electric vehicles are price and accumulating electricity. While graphene batteries (at least at the beginning of their series production) may not be able to reduce the former, they seem to be very promising to solve the latter.
In my opinion electric cars are indeed the future. There are a number of advantages of electric engines, just to mention a few: their efficiency reaching more than 90% (while combustion engines are only up to 40% efficient) or constant torque.
Regarding more powerful batteries of cell phones, I don't need them as badly, but it would be nice to have one.
These reasons are why I hope the idea of graphene batteries will be successful and they will start mass production of such baterries as soon as possible.

One more interesting thing about Tesla's batteries:
https://electrek.co/2016/07/26/tesla-upgrade-software-limited-battery-pack-model-s-x/
Unknown said…
I am also not a big fan of them but when I think about advantages, there are many of them:
1. Battery costs are dropping fast,
2. Longer range, affordable electric cars are coming,
3. More charging stations are coming,
4. Auto industry is embracing EVs,
5. The global imperative to cut carbon pollution and oil dependency,
6. Low Maintenance.

I do not agree with you when it comes to speed. Look at Tesla Model S - 249 km/h. In my opinion it is a really nice score.
Unknown said…
It'll will be great solution, by using such batteries in cars could reduce environment pollution and now it's a really big problem. I hope that this technology will soon be available for use. It was great to use graphene batteries in laptops, because we can load them faster so we would be even more mobile. I wonder just how much will be the cost of these batteries.
Unknown said…
I totally agree that every step forward in developing new technologies should wait for a suitable time,thus when it would enter the market it should be prepared perfectly, profitable and available for a reasonable price. Now the situation of a choosen ones who can afford electric cars is a poor issue, there are few electric power stations for them to use.
Unknown said…
I have mixed feelings about replacing whole power technology with electricity, because the huge part of producing Energy is by combustion, which affect on our enviroment. So in my opinion the first step of revolution should be replacing them by renewable ones.
Unknown said…
And acceleration, Tesla in sport mode can overcome many fuel cars.
Unknown said…
That is really interesting information about Tesla's batteries(in the link). I guess they could upgrade every car like that, however they have to get money somewhere.
Also i looked up prices of cars, and it seems really interesting that Tesla costs nearly as much as new Mercedes.
Unknown said…
And lets hope that graphene batteries will be ligh in comparison to Li ones.
Unknown said…
I would agree that it would be good to use renewable energy, however look at the other side:
when you produce electricity with coal, and use it in cars, you only have to worry about pollution coming from power plant, not from thousands of cars. And I am sure its easier to filter smoke from plant than make sure that every car has proper parts, like catalyzer.
Unknown said…
When I was in Norway I noticed that many people use this kind of vehicle. Due to the fact that in this country the distances between cities are quite remote, eletric cars are still one of the most popular means of transport. Citizens of these provincials pay attention to protect their environment. In my opinion it functions because the goverment helps its citizens through various allowances for owners of electric cars. I believe that this idea could increase people's interest in environmental protection, and I hope that in the near future we will see this in our country too, who knows?
Actually batteries are very bad in terms of overall science and technology - it's one of those fields that we didn't really make any impressive progress, and we still rely on (very old) technology that is simply put inefficient and obsolete.

It's nice to see that finally something is changing and maybe we'll be able to make a move forward quite soon - it's very promising at first, but I'm pretty sure that it'll take some more time until this technology gets popular (and funded) enough to be used in phones or likewise.

In any case, I have high hopes for that :).
Jarek_Ziem said…
It’s time for change or small revolution in the energy storage industry. I hope the graphene batteries technology will be quickly available to the common customer. It will be great costs saving for smartphone companies like Samsung or Apple and huge savings for customers in their electric expenditures. We will probably wait 2-3 years for it to happen.
Electric Cars, Electric Buses and Trucks are the future for global transportation. We can end energy monopoly from OPEC countries and spare huge burden for the environment. Elon Musk’s Tesla is changing it right now. We can see for the first time that people are prepared to pay extra while doing something right for the planet and entire society.
Unknown said…
Electric cars are not expensive because of higher production costs. They are because it's more beneficial for producers to keep selling gasoline cars for as long as possible. Electric cars are by far more reliable and durable, and have lower maintance costs due to lower amount of mechanical parts and less extreme forces and temperature changes affecting them. It's very hard to enter the car manufacturing market and it requires a lot of research money to produce electric cars. Tesla is an exception, but thats why they can keep premium prices.
Unknown said…
From what I've heared they are not real batteries but capacitors. They don't store energy in chemical elements or ions, but by using electrical charge accumulation beetwen the capacitor layers. The thinner the layers are the greater potential energy density. Graphene allows to make the layers extreamly thin. And capacitors charge much faster than batteries and have greater efficiency, but are harder to produce with the same energy density.
I agree with you guys. Electric cars are the future. It doesn't matter whether it is Tesla or any other car manufacturer, the electric car is a way to go. The driving range isn't too much of a problem provided that we have a proper network of charging stations. The only thing that really stops people from buying an electric car is its price. The pricing for Tesla Model S starts at $66,000 and I guess that for some people it's just too expensive. Hopefully the new generation of batteries will also lower the cost of production.
Unknown said…
When we create how focus big energy in very small thing and how dont spend it to much it will be great day for entire world. This discovery will change our life and make it easier and more simply. Also our industry will spend less money on their energy and they will more protect our enviroment

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